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Bagon Concerns

So i've got some bagon, one with 14 atk ivs, and I'm wondering what to do with it, should I save ti for if they do a community day or evolve it more usage against mewtwo and Deoxys?
The beldum leak shook my faith in them doing the event as they did pseudo legendaries and (the 10k pokemon) in dex order and beldum is after Bagon

EDIT: Sub-concern also for Ralts as i've always had less confidence in it getting a (useful) CD and wondering what to do with them

Asked by MetagrossMaxis6 years 8 months ago
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Do you actually need a Salamence for Mewtwo? Previous posts made it sound like you get by well enough without it. There's no real harm in holding onto it, especially if you already have a Salamence for the Pokedex at least.

EDIT: From my experience, I have one Salamence that saw lots of use in Lati raids, possibly Rayquaza ones, and gets thrown in gyms on the regular for style points and candy chances. I say possibly Rayquaza because I don't remember if I evolved it before he left or not. He's my only one and right now that' enough for me. I have two 15a Bagon I'm keeping for a potential community day. Unless you absolutely need it now I'd advise keeping it for later.

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Its that the weather its likely going to be windy soon, and after my last encounter with a windy mewtwo, I am not prepared, windy confusion takes my Sc gengar (who even in neutral weather lets me down) faster than anything so its out of the picture. I have some dratini/dragonite that im planning to use but I only have 2 of those

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Do you have other Mewtwo? PC/SB Mewtwo is second best behind Rayquaza in windy. Tyranitar is still plenty powerful in windy, even if it takes a back seat to the dragon trio.

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I do have 3 other mewtwo (only three with SB I mean), but they dont last as long against non-psychic/focus blast sets (as I have only one above level 35, and the others are 20 and 24.5).

My tyranitar are limited to just 1 with bite/crunch at a usable level, I have a second but he;s level 21

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Consider the flying dragons only resist 2 charge moves as well, neither of which are wind boosted. They take neutral to Psychic (which will hurt in the wind) and Thunderbolt. Against Ice Beam will be about as effective as the Gengar you lament.

This coupled with Salamence being stuck with Draco Meteor makes it less reliable than your Mewtwo or Dragonite (assuming Outrage). Unless you have the candy to power it up enough to shrug off some hits there's a possibility it could drop before firing off a single charge move. My Salamence described above is, I don't know what level your Bagon is.

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Your Dragonite faces the same issue then. If it drops before getting to use even a single Draco Meteor it's not worth it imo.

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Yeah, they cant take an ice beam well, and draco meteor's not that good in this instance (still going to keep DM for sentimental reasons)
I was also wondering about Gardevoir, Bagon's my main concern about a community day, but how does gardevoir do against these newer moves? i've got a few good kirlia/ralts at usable levels, but I dont want to evolve them if they arent to good against mewtwo in the event they do something drastic

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Don't. Gardevoir's DPS lags behind the likes of Crawdaunt, Latias, and Shiftry, Pokemon I wouldn't consider unless I was in dire straights. All of that while resisting none of the new moves, each of the three mentioned resist at least one of them.

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Play around with the DPS/TDO chart yourself if you don't believe me. In windy weather against C/P Mewtwo (focusing on this since your concern is wind and Mewtwo is strongest here), the most ideal Gardevoir with CB/SB comes to just under 17 DPS. Crawdaunt - while frailer - is above that. Latias is higher up and bulkier, and Shiftry almost hits 18 DPS.

There's a pretty big jump up from them to Scizor and Alakazam though, both above 19 DPS. Those two are the lowest I'd go.

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Don't consider Beldum confirmed until the forthcoming announcement

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I know, but I assume worst case senario in most instances. Personally I am hoping beldum gets held off for a while

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Well, if you evolve it for Mewtwo, you're likely to have no use for it in many of the Raids as the Mewtwo will have Ice Beam and your Salamence likely won't last more than 2 Charged Attacks - and to get a useful attack out, you'll need Draco Meteor (no other move is going to be of any real use), so it's possible that your Salamence will faint without using a single Charged move in the raid. So... might not be a good investment against Mewtwo.

Against Deoxys it will probably have far more use, particularly if the Deoxys has Counter as a quick move (which will decimate Tyranitar lineups). But even then, Salamence isn't likely going to be a decent counter against Deoxys because of how hard it will be to get a Draco Meteor off - again, Salamence is likely to end a significant number of Raids without getting a single Charged Move off.

Mostly, I'd advise waiting for CD and see if they give Salamence Outrage. Or some other 2-bar Charged Move; 1 bar charged moves are great... but you have to survive long enough to use them. That's tough against opponents with 300+/- Attack like Mewtwo and Deoxys.

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Thank you. I was a bit on the edge because I heard that in windy weather dragons become mewtwo's supreme counter.

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They can be, but in Salamence's case you gotta bulk it up a fair bit. This was also before Ice Beam became a factor.

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I never use my Salamence, and it never shows up as a top attacker against anything I meet. Save your Bagons.

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It's a lot of fun to have this and my lvl 40 Metagross. Waiting and battling the gym right before an ex raid then drop one of these bad boys in there and here everyone's Jealous and excitement to see one.

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I have only evolved into one Salamance because I caught a boosted Level 35 82% Bagon, and haven’t used any stardust on it. If it learned outrage I would use it, but Rayquaza is better in every way vs Salamance, and I have more Rayquaza candy.

I would save until a CD comes up. I haven’t used my Salamance and would rather use Dragonite or Rayquaza for the Gen IV raid bosses.

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I don't think evolving Salamence is that risky. If we get a Bagon community day, the best current move they could give it would be Outrage, and introducing anything better than Outrage would outclass Rayquaza in DPS, which they probably don't want to do.

That said, I also don't think it's that necessary for raiding Mewtwo. You need for the weather to be windy and even then the Dragons only really shine against FB and FT. Salamence is the frailest of them and is limited to 1-bar DM, which makes it super risky against boosted Confusion. If you want more Dragons, I'd try to make more Dragonites, but in general just develop your Tyranitar team.

EDIT: I've had a maxed Salamence for a long time and Latis were the last time I used it for group raids. It might get a spot in my Mewtwo team if I go against FB in windy but only then.

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Save it. We don’t know for sure if we’ll get Bagon or Ralts Community Day but if we do you’ll probably want their exclusive moves. Salamence can deal quite a bit of damage, particularly in Windy weather, but as you’ve said in previous posts, you’re probably better off using Dragonite. An Ice Beam variant would trash Salamence.

My team for Mewtwo looks like this:
SC Gengar
SB Mewtwo
2x B/C Tyranitar
Houndoom
Filler

In Windy weather I switch Gengar for something else and lead with Mewtwo, I’ve been using Sky Attack Moltres fairly often, it hits like a truck and resists some of the moves, making up for its lack of bulk.

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Just took my 98% - 15/15/14 Lucky Salamence to level 35, so maybe I’ll start using it more

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by pipjay 6 years 8 months ago

I have been waiting for bot Salamence and Metagross because I don't like the choices for their available moves.

Salamence has higher attack and lower defense than Dragonite. It should have received moves that made dodging easier. Dragon Breath/Dragon Claw would have been awesome. Dragon Claw has less brute power than Outrage, but Salamence has that higher attack stat to compensate.

Steel moves just suck and anything that I might need to use it against I usually use weather boosted fire types, so don't really have a need for Metagross.

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by ghao89 6 years 8 months ago

I posted a similar question a few days ago asking if we should keep Bagon until its CD, as my wife got a luck level 30 ADS 151512 Bagon and planned to evolve it to Salamence. That post is before the mega release of M2 so the majority of voice is keeping it for a chance of CD and a more powerful move (I remember some friend mentioned moves like Fly and something else). And as a result I successfully persuade my wife to keep her Bagon at the stage of Shelgon and wait. Right now although M2's release may change the situatio a little bit, but there could be other or better options for the team build-up in any case. I would still say keep it for the potential CD.

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Congrats on convincing her. The wait sucks but it'll be worth it once it rolls around.

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Yep! And meanwhile I have to wish myself luck to catch/hatch a good Bagon lol.

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Agree with many that it is a good idea to keep it and save it for a future CD, unless you need it now. I have not had much luck with either bagon or beldum and have not evolved either, saving candy till I get a good candidate. Recently I obtained a lucky 91% bagon (14A13D14S), but I am resisting developing it awaiting a possible CD (but I have enough dragons as is with five maxed out Dragonite and Rayquaza).

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