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Trolled by the Karp

First a little background to understand my question

I was out catching yesterday and I hatched a 124 CP magikarp, and knowing that max for level 20 is 125, evolved it thinking it was 98, (I dont use those iv calculator apps on phones, personal choice) so i evolved it, and when i got home, plugged everything into this iv calc, and it wasn't 98, and right after that...i caught a perfect karp that was level 1 after draining my candies evolving the previous.

Im currently walking a dragonite in preparation for Groudon and Rayquaza's return, in addition to misc. dragon useful things, and my dilemma is should i switch over to walking a magikarp or gyarados to get that perfect one up in the levels to be battle ready for groudon (and possibly rayquaza with tm'd outrage), or keep walking the dragonite.

Asked by MetagrossMaxis6 years 11 months ago
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by hkn 6 years 12 months ago

You have one more day to grind Catch 2 Water-type Pokemon research with Pinaps.

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theres a place where i go daily that has the karp semi-consistently, i have 234 karp candy in the bank, but the question was more so dedicated to what should i do about the buddy, switch to the karp to make it faster, or keep with the dragonite?

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Hkn pretty much answered your question. If you have some free time there is 26 more hours to grind. You only need about 70 pinapped catches, it's easiest way.
Even if you have access to a decent water biome, new event could happen next week and you could get no karps there.

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You should be careful with karps. Even 125 is not a guaranteed perfect.

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i always check the iv's from appraisals, and the level 1 karp had best stats everything, its e perfect iv one, and i use the gamepress IV calculator, i dont like using those ones on phone because i feel it takes away a lot from the enjoyment of getting a good IV pokemon,

i pluggest the stts from that hatched on in on here and spat out a 93, not bad, but still wish i hadn't evolved it.

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93 is good, dont worry to much, if you dont have a good water pokemons already and Groudon cameback, you can power it up to level 30 ( 31 for my case as i like it in 6000 SD) as your base and use it in your team.
As long as you are not short maning the Groudon, that should be enough..

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Always appraise everything you catch and run it through IV calculators to avoid having this happen. As glugmaster said 125 may not even be perfect because Magikarp's base stats are so low.

Your best bet is to go Magikarp hunting for the remainder of this event. Powering up from level 1 to 30 costs 126 candy, plus the 400 it'll take to evolve it again. I don't know how much you walk but you could be stuck with it for a long time if you don't try to catch more along the way.

What's your water/grass scene look like? Against Groudon those would probably suit you better from a DPS standpoint than Dragonite would.

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1 frenzy plant venasaur, no good alolan egg, 4 kyogre (not powered) 2 powered up gyarados, and 1 vaporeon. i have 2 walrein with high iv's but their moves are trash and both arent powered up much.

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Moves > IV. Define "no good" for Alolan Eggie, I imagine as long as it has BS/SB it should do well against MS/EQ and MS/SB variants of Groudon. FP Venusaur goes without saying. Kyogres that are even modestly powered up (maybe level 25?) can outperform a Vaporeon (assuming they have dual water. Leave them on the bench if they have Blizzard or Thunder). Gyarados is still worth it if you lack rare candies, especially against Groudon thanks to ground immunity.

Keep Walrein on the bench. Even with ideal moves it doesn't have the DPS against Groudon to be worth the consideration.

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as in bad IV's on the highest level, and the highest iv ones I have dont have good movesets, one grass move and one dragon move or double dragon, and I dont have the necessary tm's to divert to them. I think one has a double grass set, but its really low level and dust is tight

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near the 30's, im currently level 33 and I know they arent powered up to max level

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MetagrossMaxis,

I wouldn't worry about having powered up a 93% Gyarados. If Groudon comes after Kyogre, you'll want a team of at least 6 strong water pokemon. Hopefully you have a few Kyogre worth powering up. Gyarados is a weaker, sometimes tankier version of Kyogre (assuming both have the right moves), Gyarados does less DPS, but with double resistance to ground and grass, will take more damage than Kyogre.

Don't think in terms of one perfect, think in terms of the best possible team of six attackers. Does your 93% Gyarados have a place on that team? If so, not a waste to power him up.

And spend much time catching fish. In my biome, Karp are everywhere. Caught a 100% level 30 Karp last week, haven't evolved it yet, and might not for a while. (Might save it for Mega forms, if you have to start from the base form, we don't know how that will work, and I can always evolve it later.) I have 4 great Kyogre, led by a 100%, and two strong Gyarados, giving me a fine team to take on Groudon. And I have over 1600 Karp candy, between the gen 1 event and the water event. If you work at it, you can easily get enough candy to evolve the perfect and power it up. Just know that the next few days are the end of the window for easy Karp candy (until they open another one).

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Thank you, i haven't raided groudon or rayquaza they came out when i started playing and didnt get into raiding consistently until a month or so ago, to my teams are pretty limited, both in terms of mon and movesets. Looking at them i have 2 hydropump/waterfall gyrados, as well as 3 of my four kyogre, the 4th has blizzard, so i think i have groudon covered, i may focus dragonite to get soemthign to counter rayquaza

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"Don't think in terms of one perfect, think in terms of the best possible team of six attackers."

This is great advice, but I would add one caveat. Think about your best possible team of twelve attackers - a powerful Team B can make all the difference.

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Dragonite is 8th against Groudon at level 30. Gyarados is second.
Dragonite is 4th against Rayquaza. Gyarados with full dragon moves is 16th.

So if you are dead set on using only one pokémon against both of them, Dragonite is your pick. Otherwise, get one generalist and one specialist and perform better in both cases.

Since it is a perfect Karp I would gradually power it up, but not walk it. The water event was going for a long time where Karp was everywhere and walking Karp in general certainly isn't worth it.

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I evolved 2 karp during this event, so i can see why people didnt both walking one.

im not dead set on anything, just trying to optimize as best i can, i think ill go for the gradual powering up, i still need to accrue the necessary TM's for in the event i had a bad moveset, thank you.

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I recommend always using specialists, and treating your strong generalists as specialists. For example, treat Machamp as a Dark/Normal specialist counter and Dragonite as a Dragon specialist counter. With the preponderance of dedicated counter-raid bosses, it gets a bit easier.

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by pipjay 6 years 12 months ago

Looking at my spreadsheet, a 124cp Magikarp is guaranteed to have 15 attack IV. At the lowest end, it could be 15a/12d/15s (93%). That is fine. Maybe you will need to power up a few more times to hit a bulkpoint, if you bother to even check that kind of thing. Comparing Gyarados, 15a/12d/15s is about 20cp less than a perfect 15/15/15.

Only reason I have recently bothered switching buddy for Magikarp candy was during adventure week when research for "Earn 5 candy walking with buddy" was very common. I would finish earning my current candy, switch to a Gyarados to finish the research in 1 km, then switch back to whatever I was walking before.

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