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Now that Diversity! is a thing name 10 pokes worth investing in

...I could name 15 before. Maybe more in limited one off circumstances.

Asked by JHVS7 years 11 months ago
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Tyranitar
Dragonite
Blissey
Machamp
Vaporeon
Lapras
Unown
Jolteon
Flareon
Espeon

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Yes
Yes
No
Yes
Not really
Hell no
Lol
Not really
Not really
Sometimes

Diversity!

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Can evolve one around lv 30 in most areas without spending. A crew of lv 30 Vapes will do what you need in busy places where you have help and won't save you above that where you do not.

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To the idiot downvoter, refute my point.

Why are you mad at me I didn't create this scenario.

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You are right, Vape has the breakpoint for water gun at under lvl 30. Only low iv for attack would require powering up a bit fir max damage. But I still mac my 3 top Vapes :)) (did not diwnvote, ofcourse).

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Tyranitar
Rhydon
Dragonite
Vaporeon
Flareon
Machamp
Golem
Gengar
Alakazam
Mewtwo

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Yes
Somewhat
Not really but ok
No
Not really
Yes
Yes
Nope
Somewhat
Of course

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Scizor
Charizard
Eggy

I get your point, but it depends on what you have. I have literally dozens of Vapes, Jolts, Flareons, Eggys, It's our biome, so no I'm not investing, but I've got only 2 each of Machamp and Alakazam, neither with ideal move sets, so they are underpowered and I'm looking for TMs and candy to buff them.

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I don't really have a point other than my own crew and what I've done/am doing. I used to have many Pokes I could aim for and focus on whether through hatching or other means. Now that we have diversity...wth. Diversity! Would have been great if it meant I needed diversity to attack. But I don't. Not to defend either. So what did we win?

And please don't take this as a regular complaint which it kind of is but look at your attacking squads and your defenders...is your use more diverse than before or just different and will be even less when you get other pokes up to snuff?

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Tyranitar
Machamp
Heracross
Espeon
Golem
Dragonite
Vaporeon
Exeggutor
Flareon
Jolteon

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Yes
Yes
Yes
Somewhat
Not really
No
Somewhat
Somewhat
Somewhat
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Closest one yet. Very well done, congrats.

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by Jmast7 7 years 11 months ago

Tyranitar
Machamp
Dragonite
Rhydon
Golem
Exeggutor
Flareon (FS/OH)
Espeon
Alakazam
Gengar (SC/SB)

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Yes
Yes
Somewhat
Yes
Yes
Ok
Yes
Yes
Yes
Not really

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As an answer to Rhydon, you have responded 'somewhat' and 'yes', on different occassions - and you have done the same thing with Alakazam

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Yeah man I'm doing this on the fly for each answer.
Rhydon is great for exact counters to specific 2 and 3 lv mons but going forward may just be meh. So I kind of stand behind my flip flop (but noted).

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And somehow Vaporeon in a similar way, but not the same.

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Golem has gotten yea and no and vape not really and somewhat and flareon sometimes and yea

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All are available I n most biomes to evolve one at a decent caught level with no investing. In those areas you can scratch Rhydon, Golem etc. Or less Eevolutions and more of those. So same point.

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In most biomes it's easy to evolve one at a decent caught level with no investing. In those areas where this isn't true you can scratch Rhydon, Golem etc. So same point.

If folks are honest about the mons relative to their own biomes worth spending either TMs or dust on they cannot go past 10 unless they are new or lying

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Raichu
Girl Raichu
Santa Raichu
Party Hat Raichu
Ash Hat Raichu
A low CP, low IV shiny Gyarados
Wait for next nine Pikachu hats

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It really comes to your playing style. I'm investing in my usable 100% pokemon:
Cloyster
Victreebel
Donphan
Golem
Plus very relevant pokemon
Machamp
Machamp
Machamp
And then you have the bench guys, who have their chance when the key players have already fainted
Fighting Poliwrath
Ursaring
You can also invest in projects to solo raids
Espeon
Espeon
Alakazam
Tyranitar
Etc
There are many others in my crew that don't really need investment but are good for raids
Vaporeon
Rhydon
Venusaur
More Golem
Jolteon
Magneton
Exeggutor
Scizor
Dragonite
And so many more that are usable if you really want to use a pokemon that performs a 5% worse than the model species of its type.

But it comes to personal choice. Whether you are obsessed about efficiency or may cope with some slightly inefficient good craic :)

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Charizard. A hybrid and a pure fire.
I didn't ever invest stardust in any fire pokemon other than the hybrid moves charizard. I have some high level flareon caught in the wild

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Tyranitar
Dragonite
Machamp
Rhydon
Golem
Exeggutor
Alakazam
Vaporeon
Flareon
Jolteon
Espeon

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Yes
Somewhat
Yes
Sort of
Yes kind of
Yes
Yes
Nope
Yes maybe
Yes maybe
Yes

You've named a great group. Still, most you should be able to make do with without investing and certainly not all of them unless you're level 20.

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If you say No to Golem you're an idiot and this thread is irrelevant.

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Good thing I said "yes kind of"

You can build a team of trash to take out the lv 2 mons he owns.

If you really want to get a meh mon like Archanine solo then

Yes kind of

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I took my kid to a night time food truck event at the zoo, lures at dozens of stops, I caught a 1414 Graveler, level 29 or 30. Rated above average, I didn't sweat spending 100 of my 200 candies to turn it into a 2318 Golem. I'm just not going to spend dust on something I have 6 of already 2000-2380, even though not really my primary biome

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How on Earth is Flareon maybe while Exeggutor yes?

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Just realised I listed 11 Pokemon. Which one should I take out?
Alakazam and Espeon are basically almost the same, with the same move Future Sight, so maybe I should just count them as 1 Pokemon.

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I have a list of 8-9

Double bug scizor
Gengar
Tyranitar
Machamp
Both golem double rock movesets
Zapdos
Moltres

Need to add some more psychics and poison at some point. I think a double poison victreebell would be pretty cool but not sure what I would do with it at this point...

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Well of course but dammit that's not the point lol.

Diversity!

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Good
Don't spend though
Yes
Yes in most cases
Two mons not existing yet? Sure why not?

I have a double poison Bell so I hope you're right!

Cheers

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Piloswine is very underrated, has great ice moves (avalanche!) for the inevitable Dragonite raid and in he future will evolve.

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-Pidgey (so you don't have to revive it when it's sent back. Plus everyone has them, but no one uses them)
-Swinub (some folks never see them)
-Any 2nd stage evolution, as long as it also had a third that your wouldn't use ( i.e. Machoke, Charmeleon, Graveler)
-Wobuffet because he looks hilarious
-Gyrados (no one uses him anymore. Make sure he's over 3000 cp so he gets kicked out fast)
-Porygon (to make me jealous. It's the only gen 1 pokemon I need)
-Politoad (kings rock, yo!)
-Lapras (really tough to counter, high defense and hp)
-Mareep (so your teammates can get candy)

Diversity!

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by moyoga 7 years 11 months ago

Machamp C/DP
Espeon FS
Dragonite DT/O
Tyranitar B/SE
Omastar RT/RS
Starmie Wx2
Exeggutor SolarB
Scizor Bugx2
Heracross C/CC
Jynx FB/Av

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For the current gym meta and raid bosses:

Machamp C/DP - simply the best counter for many raid bosses and gym defenders

Heracross C/CC - region exclusive Machamp

Dragonite DT, DB/O, Hur, DC - dps king of the hill

Tyranitar B/SE, Cr - 2nd best neutral attacker. Excellent dps for its tankiness.

Exeggutor C/SolarB - best < 3k gym defender at this time and great counter for many raid bosses and top defenders

The rest are my fillers due to tankiness and/or dps

Vaporeon Hydro
Jolteon TS/Bolt
Alakazam C/FS
Gyarados DT/Hydro, O
Gengar ShC/ShB

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With such low HP, one missed dodge on confusion or solar beam will be devastating.

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by clxyz 7 years 11 months ago

  1. Machamp
  2. Vaporeon
  3. Flareon
  4. Jolteon
  5. Tyranitar
  6. Venasaur
  7. Dragonite
  8. Scizor
  9. Golem
  10. Rhydon
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by razvan 7 years 11 months ago

10?
Let's see:
1. Golem

Machamp maybe, cannot solo with him, lvl 36 is threashold, don't think so

Gengars till round 34-35

Alakazam

Exegg with SoB, not really nevesary but helps to solo Vapes

Tyra just for survibility, bite threashold vs current bosses is low

Dragonite - like Vapes appears to me, they are as before, around lvl 33-34

That's it, don't have 10, in fact I have 1, Golem, rs/se one in fact.

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This list is dead on for my area/situation too.

I still have spent or am going to spend for most on this list but it won't really get me anything for the reasons you mention. But I guess I have to spend dust on something.

I had most of these before the change.

Good stuff.

Question for those more familiar with the future gens, are there many gen 3 pokes likely to be better than current mons in their type class?

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I hope there will be, or maybe beyter moves for current ones.
Anyway, currently high 20 and low 30 levels seams to like the change, high 30(myself) not anymore, after reaching my lvl 3 solo goals.
Don't really see a porpose.
Also a fact that lowered my motivation: I lost only 5 out of 35 raid catches, 3/4 tyra, 3/4 Snirlax, but the Snorlax I missed, with 13 balls and an excellent throw and 5-6 great was 100 IV. Maxing that would had give me a reason to gain dust and candies. Next I cough a 96 IV one but will max like my current max one, under 3300 CP. I know is useless but would have been a nice goal for me.

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I'm not the best to answer your question, but I'm curious too. So I checked the list on Bulbapedia and I'm afraid the answer is no. Only Salamence may add a dragon type as good as or slightly better than Dragonite. In terms of stats and max CP, at least. We'll see the new moves added...

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