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Defensive Gyarados

Today I finally evolved my second gyarados (96% IV) and got DT/HP. According to this site this is the best moveset for all,(Hooray!!!) but is really that way?

I have fought several DT / C gyarados and they are a pain in the ass, a fail dodging crunch and goodbye...

I actually have not fought against any DT/HP gyarados, and the ones with B / HP I destroy them because I don't dodge the quick moves and they usually faint before releasing Hydro Pump.

So, for defense, is really Hydro Pump better than crunch or outrage?

Thanks!!

Asked by DeepChu8 years 1 month ago
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A fail dodging Crunch and fainted? How low level is your poor Jolteon?

Nope, it is a move with only 1 bar, and Gyarados is likely to be killed as long as the Jolteon doesn't have Thunder as its charge move. Jolteon with around 60%–75% CP to Gyarados can kill it before the release of HP.

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Low cp jolteon for prestiging. Sorry for not specify it before.

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Thunder halves gyarados' life. Don't see the problem with it. You just have to dodge HP once and that's a quick win. Alright, if you get lag and the game doesn't acknowledge your dodge is bad. But when you get lag the outcome is the same regardless the move

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I'd prefer Outrage to HP, and HP to Crunch.

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I fought a few Outrage ones this week and thought they were extremely easy to dodge reliably.

Let's be cereal though, there really isn't a really strong defensive moveset for a Gyrados. He's just too easy to take down no matter what he has.

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by YodaJi 8 years 1 month ago

I think overall in the current meta Gyarados doesn't strike fear as a defender but it's high CP makes it gym worthy because it can take a high spot do a decent job.

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by pipjay 8 years 1 month ago

Before powering up, you can put it in a gym and try fighting against it with an electric type 300 or so CP less.

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With how fast HP's damage window comes now, i find it quite difficult to dodge and do miss it occasionally. And a missed dodge against Gyarados' HP will cost you a revive for sure.
Crunch is annoying because fired frequently, but it's rather easy to dodge.

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by gibell 8 years 1 month ago

Hydropump is harder to dodge now and it does massive STAB damage! Gyarados has a good attack base stat, 237. I have a DT / C Gyarados but have never fought it.

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HP has stab and is one of the most annoying moves to dodge, most times it comes with no warning and if you are hit you die. For me it is the best.

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by GS1 8 years 1 month ago

Best way to dodge HP is to dodge all quick moves. Because HP doesn't always give a text "warning" you have to assume any dodge flash may be for an HP. So if you dodge all quick moves then you will dodge every HP by reading the dodge flash. It's difficult to fight using dodge only charge move style against a defender with HP because you WILL get hit by an unwarned HP.

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That is the safest way to dodge it. But usually you can expect when is going to shoot the HP. There's usually a change in the animation. Before every charge move there's always a short preparation. You notice that the Pokémon takes breath and shoots. But it's true that is risky.
I would pay less attention to the first attacks and start dodging consistently when I presume that the defender's charge move is nearly ready.

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Yes there is a very short pause and slight change of animation but too risky. You may be stuck in a cooldown when HP goes off. When I face a vape or Gyarados for the first time I always have to assume it got HP until it finally shows its charge move. Then I can tailor my attacks.

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by henz 8 years 1 month ago

I see people saying certain charge moves are hard to dodge all the time, but honestly, they're all easy.. I'm not trying to show off or anything, but have you considered dodging every move? Yeah, the DPS and being efficient argument will come, but just stop and think for a second.. Do you really need to be efficient or end the battle fast against something unworthy like Gyarados? It'll faint quick enough either way.

If it's something tanky and time-consuming like Snorlax or Blissey, I'd understand. Tap away.

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Dodge everything style is the easiest way to dodge charge moves because you won't be stuck in your attack animation during a defenders charge move. That being said, some people prefer dodge only charge moves which requires more caution and timing. It will seem difficult to dodge a charge move like HP if you fight this way.

I am mostly a dodge everything fighter because I use DB/DC dragonites as main attackers. But prestiging may require a mon that is not optimal for dodge everything style because of limited type of mons for prestiging. Especially prestiging against Blissey. If you use a prestiger with considerably less CP than Blissey then you run the risk of timing out vs trying to gain as much prestige points as possible. This requires dodging only charged moves from Blissey. If your attacker has a slow quick move or a long duration charge move then it will "seem" difficult to dodge a charge move. Hope that makes sense.

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