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Bagon Community Day

Hey all. I know there was a lot of speculation that our next community day would be for bagon, with the CD exclusive move for Salamance being Outrage. However, instead we got a runback weekend for all prior CD's. I'm not upset about this, it's actually pretty cool of Niantic to do.

However, in thinking more about a potential Bagon CD, i wonder more and more if it just won't happen. My reasoning is this:
Gen1 had Dragonite as its singular pseudolegendary mon, Gen2 had tyranitar as its only pseudomon, and Gen3 had both Salamance and Metagross. Niantic already chose Metagross as the Gen3 pseudolegendary which they recognize, and giving Bagon a CD would break the pattern of 1 pseudolegendary CD per gen. Additionally, Salamance has no real "exclusive" move in the series to give to it, and while Dragonite/Tyranitar arguably didnt receive exclusive moves for their CD's, it also means that theres no real NEED for Bagon to receive a community day.
Do we think that Bagon will eventually get a CD (and by extension that its worth it to save bagons rather than evolving them, even if we're short on dragon attackers), or has Bagon been effectively ousted from getting a CD by virtue of Niantic choosing Metagross over it.
Do we think Niantic will view a Bagon CD as lucrative enough to actually implement it.

Asked by DuTogira6 years 5 months ago
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Yes of course bagon will get a community day. You are reading too much into it. There is no pattern. Where does eevee community day fit into your pattern? What about ampharos? It didn't get an exclusive move, neither did ttar in the long run. If niantic release a shiny bagon as a community day with an exclusive move then people will want to do it. Community day is not lucrative in any way. It just gets people hyped and out and playing.

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Except people are definitely spending money on CD

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by TTT 6 years 5 months ago

I think it's still highly likely.

First - we also got amphoros in Gen 2. Not really pseudo legendary, but is a non-starter. Most people believe the non-starter CD mons are decided based on them being from 10km eggs and not nesting - not based on being pseudo legendaries.

That makes bagon a great candidate, as well as several others.

I would also argue that it's almost inevitable. It's possible that Niantic will skip it to Garchomp, then just finish all the starters through Gen 4. However that's a terrible idea on their part, as it makes Garchomp far less exciting to get a CD so quickly - and then we get a whole bunch of starters in a row.

Niantic is already struggling to catch the starters up to the others. We had an eevee day in between starters, and now this rerun. January will be totodile, I'm almost certain of it. Even then, we'll have only just finished Gen 2 starters, with 3 Gen 3 starters to go. That means 3 non nesting 10km egg Pokemon with 3 evolutions are needed to make the starter and non-starters line up properly. Bagon, ralts, and slakoth/trapinch seem the most likely.

And if they do go to just doing starters until they catch up, despite the outrage from the meta-community like there was after squirtle-eevee-chikorita, they'll still run out of starters before they release Gen 5 and need to do something that's not the "one pseudo per Gen".

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At this point? Who knows.

The Starters, so far, are the only ones who have actually followed any pattern. We used to think it was "Starter, 3-evolution Pokémon hatched from 10km egg, Starter, 3-Evolution Pokémon hatched from 10km Egg" (not Pseudo-legendary; it was just 3 Evolutions and from a 10km egg. Pseudo-Legendary only came through recently to try to explain why Ralts wasn't going to get a CD), and Eevee threw that out of wack. And this Holiday CD is likewise throwing things out the window.

Personally, I still expect Bagon, Slakoth and Ralts days in the future. But at this point, I'm going to wait until what gets announced for January to start theorizing.

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Bagon will eventually get one.

Gen 3 is the only generation to have 2 pseudo-legendary Pokemon (inb4 I get my throat jumped down about Volcarona, it's not 3 stage god dammit!); this is not a pattern on Niantic's part. The fact that Gen 1 had Dragonite only and Gen 2 had Tyranitar only doesn't mean they won't include Salamence because they skipped it for Metagross.

A list of Pokemon that have received Community Days who don't have main series exclusive moves.
- Pikachu (while iconic to longtime fans, Surf is no way exclusive)
- Dratini/Dragonite (Draco Meteor is learned by many)
- Mareep/Ampharos (Dragon Pulse is learned by many)
- Larvitar/Tyranitar (Smack Down is learned by many)

There's also a difference between signature and exclusive. *Technically* Meteor Mash falls in the former for Metagross since it's the most common user of the move while other things learn it. Clefairy actually learned it in Gen 3 alongside Metagross. Similar story for Eevee and Last Resort; learnable by many, associated with Eevee. Arguably the only exclusive moves are the starter moves and even then none are exclusive to one given species.

I think Bagon will see a community day and I think they may explore the flying route for an exclusive move over the dragon route.

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It will be interesting to see what flying move they could give it, unless they give it a flying fast and charge move it wouldn't have a set that synergizes well aside from firefang being a good hard counter to grass and bug, and vice versa for fireblast.

I could see fly on it, as it was (and I believe still is) one of only 2 pokemon to naturally learn fly, the other being rayquaza.

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Fly as a charge move is where my money is too. With Fire Fang it'll be a nice alternative to FS/SA Moltres. The ability to fly is also a pretty integral part of the story of Bagon's evolutionary life cycle, though as shown with Shedinja that's nothing to base anything off of.

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That is true, always a heartwarming thing to know bagon's dreams of flight are finally achieved.

In some ways, fly is to salamence as meteor mash was to metagross, so it does seem possible we could get it, and with salamence's *FANTASTIC* attack, it could be great to use.salamence is the first pokemon I remember, i'd love to see it get a CD even if its pure novelty

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There is no NEED to give anything a community day. It's only about which pokemon will get people out playing with the best efficiency, and Bagon is certainly among the best possible candidates for that, being so rare. The number of pseudos has nothing to do with this, it's only about which pokemon Niantic judges to be the best incentives for people to come out and play during a specific 3-hour window.

As for lacking dragon attackers, the mega CD is this weekend and you should first see how much Dratini candy you manage to farm. If you still run into a situation later where you need more Dragons, I think evolving Salamences before CD is low risk. Outrage would be an upgrade, but not that big of an upgrade, and it's far from guaranteed. They might just as well give it a flying-type charge move or something.

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Eevee is an outlier that should be ignored for community day predictions.

Tyranitar doesnt really have a move known to it as wel, some could argue rock slide was more known on it that stone edge as rockslide was around since gen 2. For dragonite, outrage was actually dragonite's signature move originally in generation 2, salamence could only get it via movetutor. And theres not pokemon known for draco meteor specifically aside from maybe Garchomp who's also most known for dragon rush.

They could give salamence outrage, or maybe dragon claw, or maybe add dragon rush, but niantic has to know bagon CD's would be attractive to plays. Since togekiss largely killed the hope for ralts or any fairy type getting a fairy fast move, the oppinion's largely shifted to bagon and trapinch. Given how much we love the dragons, and how much we've made it known we want bagon as a CD, I think its likely to get one sometime. Plus it would be fitting to get a bagon CD in febuary like dratini was as the bagon line was intended as a parallel to dratini

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Why do people want Salamance with outrage? It offers nothing different to outrage Dragonite or outrage Rayquaza. It's boring.

Are people really this unimaginitive?

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My thoughts exactly. I am tired of dragons already. I want a flying Salamence!

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Yes please. It's already a phenomenal pick in pokedraft, getting a flying moveset as well would make it even better. And the format could definitely use more good pokemon to compete for first and second picks.

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People were quick to notice that every other month is a starter CD, but they seem to have missed the Pseudo legendary pattern.

February = Dratini [2]
June = Tyranitar [6]
October = Metagross [10]

Therefore, the next pseudo legendary CD is 4 months after October, or February. That will be Bagon's month IMO.

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Actually, there is a sequence I've noticed on the community days.
The sequence would go Like this:

Pseudo-legendary => starter => regular mon => starter => pseudo-legendary...
...and so on, with means every 4 months we would see another P.L. mon CD, like another guy said before me.

Previously, I thought that bagon day would be on february, but with this "new" event on december and (on the worse hypothesis about time) that order does not change, would take place on March.

I think either way they are going to implement Bagon's day, it would be weird if they do not do it. Probably will learn outrage, since he already has draco meteor, or maybe a flying set, though would be weird since he lacks a fast flying attack. So, who knows what else may come?

Sorry if I mispelled something, english is not my first language ^^'

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