Chansey will still have a ton of HP, so it will likely still be a good defender by virtue of making your opponent waste time taking it down. One of the main upsides of Chansey on defense was the fact that it's low CP results in its motivation taking significantly longer to decay, and that will still be the case.
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Will Chansey still be a top defender after the rebalance?
As the article said, both it and blissey both lost about a quarter of the bulk, and but looking at chansey's stats it does have noticeably lower defense than blissey (and as such higher TTW agaisnt it). That, and the gap being closed from both ends with formerly lower defenders getting bosted up (with several defenders having resistances to machamp), could chansey be demoted to B tier defender?
Of course nothing's going to touch blissey, thats pretty much never going to change.
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it will still have a lot of HP, but other lower tier defenders gain as well (namely dragonite, the slowdudes, and clefable), a defender needs to only do 2 things, take as long to beat as possible with machamp or force a machamp switch out, hence why gardevoir and likely togekiss will be placed on gyms.
I know the lower CP made it demotivate slower, but now blissey also has lower CP than it previously did, wouldnt that make blissey also demotivate slower as well? I dont know exactly how the CP Decay works.
Or instead this could be about PvP, where top gym defenders and top PvP mons will likely be identical. I for one would not have fun in a PvP Blissey slugfest, so maybe Niantic just said "yeah lets nerf Blissery for PvP before we release it, and who cares that it makes gyms easier to turn over, the only good defender is Golden Razz Berry anyway"
Yeah, but the only reason we need golden razz (which I’m hardly getting from raids anymore, thanks for that niandick) is because they added the stupid “motivation” the last time they nerfed blissey... I think it’s bs that we have to use more than 1 raid pass (at 100 coins a pop) just to get enough golden razz to defend a gym so we can get our coins. 50 coins is weak for such an expensive game (costs twice that just to get 1 golden razz) and I think they need to separate it from gyms, or have different ways of getting it through gyms now that there won’t be any defense
I know buddy, I'm perfectly aware this change was made in regard of the coming PvP. However, I couldn't let it simply pass by that this change will make gym defending more easy.
I just disagree about the fact that the GR is the only viable defender. Myself, as example, will more often than not let time decide whether I take over a gym. When I see a Blissey, snorlax, chansey sitting in a gym I will way faster skip the gym then if that wouldn't have been the case. This CP change might change things.
Anyway, my most preferable gym era was the first one. But I'm one of the fews with that opinion
Soooo true! This is so the new guys that just started playing can take down a lvl 40 blissey with ease, cuz, that’s fair... they just started playing so it naturally makes sense that they should be able to kick out all level 40 players/defenders with no trouble at all, not earn it like we ALL did back in the early days of the game (where I was lucky to even get 10-20 coins a day, not 50). This whole softening of gyms every year is kind of the opposite of what I want; I want it to get more fun as time goes on, not less... you’d think with everybody getting stronger over time they would’ve made gyms tougher, not EASIER (again) lol Oh niandick, same shit, different day... guess I can’t be too surprised lol I just want gyms to be fun again... Maybe one day they’ll at least get rid of the ridiculous “gym decay” since they just nerfed the defenders. And, once those newly nerfed defenders are still just a wittle too tough for duh wittle ole newbabies, they’ll nerf them again and again and again until there is no defense, you just tap on a gym and it clears out for you lol
So, now that high level players can’t defend against the newbabies, what is the point of being level 40 and powering up Pokémon to that level? Just to possibly reach that 1 extra breaking point in a raid boss to help those new players get their legendaries (which usually have the better ivs on top of it cuz they’re low level players)?
Agree to the fullest!
I do understand Niantic wants to make profit and therefore shifts the game towards the casuals. Same is happening with a different game, called fortnite. Same reason I quit fortnite, because they are trying to please the newbies too much.
I miss the days of being able to prestige.
Yeah, I’ve been thinking about it. I’ve just invested so much. Probably going to take a break though...
I miss prestiging too! This is how you know I was hardcore about the old gyms, my “proof” lol (did NOT bubble-strat to get all that prestige because there were hardly any water Pokémon around here back in the day so that’s all legit)
I don't think Chansey will be the second best defender anymore, it loses so much bulk relative to many other defenders. It makes things easier for the attacker if they can bring 2 Machamps to take care of Blissey, Chansey and a third defender. At least compared to the alternative of trying to stack it so that the attacker can't take advantage of their Machamp army. Milotic has better effective bulk against Machamp than Chansey post-rebalance, whereas before none of Machamp's neutral matchups were even close to as time-consuming as battling Chansey with SE damage.
An interesting note about a popular gym defender: Slaking drops in tankiness to below Umbreon, Steelix and Lapras. Meaning it's strictly inferior to them as all three can apply pressure to the attacker via fast moves and have much slower decay.
If a low level player only has 1 decent Machamp that can now last longer, the TDO would go up for that mon. And, in a way, the players DPS too since he probably won’t have much back up (I remember the days of having to battle those actual tough gyms with primeapes and such) so maximizing his/her best gym attacker is kind of a double bonus and almost like adding DPS to his/her overall team. After all, a little more time with your best machamp will be more DPS than what you would have had with your next best fighter in his place during that extra time. Not much, but some extra TDO and a better team, on top of the nerfs to the big normals, I would say it’s definitely a bigger swing than just 25% ish...
I haven't saw a Chansey in a gym since today. As for blisseys i've also noticed the increasing amounts of gyms without one or one at the first slot. So yes, they are diminished.
By the way nearly all decent attackers can kill a Blissey at max CP after the rework, including ones that used to not work like Sceptile, Luxray or Tyranitar.
