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And the Final nail in the SC Gengar Coffin

I suppose we should all be glad about this, we all the "will they re-release SC gengar" speculation can finally die and free our inventory space of the gastly we've been holding onto.

I wonder if this is because of Zapdos raid days and all the backlash they got for that, and are now going to go out of their way to make these raid days completely meta irrelivent or they did this to stop all the SC gengar speculation.

Not so sound like I dont want SC gengar, i'd love to have more, but doing SC or soemthing good for this event would be the exact thing people backlashed about for TS zapdos.

Asked by MetagrossMaxis6 years 9 months ago

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Thank God, SC Gengar rumors is dead

Here here. I always thought it was a farfetched idea to have one of the strongest pokemon come back when they removed it INTENTIONALLY. not to mention its completely over rated, its only good agaisnt around a quarter if not less of mewtwo sets, and its not like Hex Gengar's a bad pokemon.

So wait... it’s strong or it’s overated?

Whatever it is, I'm against it!

Again, returning Body Slam Snorlax says hi.

Regardless of if it had SC or not the fact that it would be raid exclusive is reason enough to pitch Gastly. I doubt we'll be able to evolve into the exclusive move since it would defeat the purpose of having it in raids.

Maybe now that this has happened, people will finally stop acting like Hex is a terrible move.

Sucker punch is also good even though it doesn't get STAB. Tradeoff is hitting fighting, fairy and dark Pokemon ineffectively (why would a Gengar want to attack those) in order to have a fast quick move for better dodging. I mean, both other moves are viable, just not astounding

I know, but when all you've ever heard about gengar is "if it cant get shadow claw its not worth having" when hex is still a competent move (still best nonlegendary, nonlegacy ghost attacker, actually still better than giratina) you dont see hex as negatively as everyone paints it.

I'll agree that Hex isn't terrible, but it's a very average move and SC is amazing by comparison. Because Gengar is so frail, it's only job is to do as much damage as possible in the short time before it faints. With SC, it can accomplish that much better than it can with Hex. For comparison, GP has Hex listed as dealing 8.33 DPS, while SC deals 12.86 DPS. That's a pretty significant difference. Hex has better EPS, but since Gengar tends to not last very long in battle, odds are that the extra EPS from Hex still won't be able to net you an extra charge attack.

TL;DR: Hex Gengar is just ok, but nothing special. SC is what elevates it to the status of a supreme ghost glass cannon.

I'm not saying Hex is this amazing all star move, but its still a good move, agaisnt most mewtwo sets, its the second highest DPS currently available in the game.

I agree gengar is much better with SC, but hex is still a usable move that puts it a head of most all other counters to mewtwo DPS wise.

Against confusion Alakazam or Mewtwo, SC Gengar will never get off more than one SB, whereas hex Gengar will usually be able to launch two.

Do you speak from personal experience?

I found your remark very interesting. I wanted to try it out in GoBattleSim. I saw that if SC Gengar reliably hits 1 SB against Mewtwo or Alakazam, H Gengar is less predictable. It can fire 1 or 2 SB against Alakazam, but not against Mewtwo, where before fainting it can launch 1 or... 0 SB... Mewtwo just hits too hard!

I've gotten 2 SB off with a SC Gengar against C Alakazam but it's rare, and might have been against a C/SB where the boss doing 3C+SB keeps the Gengar alive longer. Since there's a small amount of RNG with how fast the boss uses its moves, sometimes the SC Gengar seems to have just enough time. But Hex is definitely better against C Alakazam in general because you don't want to sit there reseting the raid for half an hour to get perfect RNG.

I'm actually glad they don't give SC back in this event. Otherwise everyone has a full squad of SC Gengar would make SC less valuable.

Let me introduce you to BS Snorlax. Mon don't have intrinsic value, only what we ascribe to them.

its only valuable for the reason of not everyone has one, its like why BS snorlax lost value.
If Sc was still available most people wouldn't pay any mind to it

Who the heck cares about value at this point?

I mix Sucker Punch Gengars with the Shadow Claw Gengars I have and they still put a big dent in Mewtwo. Whether it has confusion or not. Just don’t use it if Mewtwo has Psychic, but that was the easiest move anyway. However, I have tried using Hex, and Sucker Punch 90% of the time came out ahead. Hex is just so slow, the whole point of a non-Shadow Claw Gengar is to get off as many Shadow Balls as you can. So long story short, if we are not getting Shadow Claw back, I highly recommend using Sucker Punch over Hex in raids will Gengar is Recommended.

What does it matter if Mewtwo has psychic? Gengar faint on every charge move Mewtwo have except FB. In fact, psychic is the only other 1 bar move, so there is a bigger chance for Gengar to survive until the second SB.

Hex builds energy faster (i.e. the SB's come quicker) than SP. The duration of the quick move is not correlated with its energy gain.

Yes except with a slow move, energy comes in big chunks whereas with fast moves it comes more regularly. So in the first case, your energy income is less reliable and you might be charged up just below the SB threshold needing to hit one more Hex to be ready, whereas with SP you overload less and you may fire sooner. Depending of how much damage you tanked...