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Any reason to keep these Mewtwo?

We all know mewtwo likely will never get its best set, shadow ball back, and largely that had made this last month wholey about building up mass candy stocks for our nonmaxed ones.
With all these psychic types around now, there's much easier access psychic mewtwo alternatives that don't need rarecandy.
But as for these mewtwo out now, they're honestly not good. Thunderbolt could be good,but anyone who has raikou or Zapdos will have a bettere electric attacker, ice beam could have been good but we aren't getting rayquaza next and both sets face nonlegendary competition in gen 4, flamethrower is just...No. focus blast is a potion efficient gym clearer but if we wanted potion efficiency Wed be using aggron and we don't, dps is the name of the game and machamp beats mewtwo. Lastly...psychic. this is just a bad move. Mewtwo makes it work with its huge attack stat against machamp and that'd all. It's a legendary specialist that has only one legendary match up in thw future with gen 5 and that's a long time away, terrakion. Cobalions not weak to psychic, virizions handled better by a level 24 double flying rayquaza than a level 40 psychic mewtwo. But then there's terrakions numerous weaknesses, there's several legendary Pokemon it's weak to. As well as possible event psystrike which would likely make all current psychic sets obsolete.

I'm honestly considering just trading all but my one 96% nonshadow ball ones for candy stocks for eventual psystrike mewtwo and just keep the 96 as a trophy and occasionally lass burn against machamp. I'm honestly a little amazed they made mewtwo go from one of the best to not overly useful. Lets hope the cp rebalance is more kind to mewtwo

Asked by MetagrossMaxis6 years 6 months ago

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Didn't you make this thread yesterday or something, just worded differently?

My ultimate plan is to keep the highest IV of each move for novelty then trade/transfer the rest away. That way if any of them do become worthwhile dust and candy sinks I won't be completely S.o.L.

I would like to see what this year's Halloween event entails for candy bonuses. Any that I haven't managed to trade off by the last day I'll just transfer for the candy, in addition to the plethora of other legendaries clogging up my box space. I have no need for the +20 Ho-Oh or extra Regis that are warming the bench.

the last one was similar, but this ones more looking at its usage in the future agaisnt its only match ups with some new information. As well as wondering specifically if the are worth keeping, or if even good iv ones of the bed moves would be better used by converting to candy for eventual better psystrike ones

Rule of thumb: any legendaries you're not going to use/want as a trophy should be ditched during Halloween. Get the candy now if you're not going to use them.

So many unneeded birds... It's going to be cathartic getting rid of them all.

How many did you raid? I got rid of all of mine already but admittedly I went very casual with the raid days.

Roughly 20 during their raid days, then during the week of the birds I raided at least once a day. Almost entirely Moltres, two Articuno slipped into the mix. Very successful catch rates on the first two, I struggled to hit Moltres for some reason.

PvP

The element of surprise will be a big deal.

Shinny Rayquaza hasn't been release yet.

CP re balance is not gonna make Mewtwo better than top attackers with STAB, super effective attacks, and resistance to defenders.

Theres 3 ice attackers in gen 4, all of which will make ice beam mewtwo unecessary

The other 2 has higher dps but not as tanky as Mewtwo. assuming they get good moves

Mamaswine is the only one that clearly beats Mewtwo. thats if Mamaswine gets good moves and or rayquaza come back before mamaswine gets release.

TDO doesnt matter, DPS is all that does so long as they arent glad coutners, and mamoswine's not a glass cannon

This may change with the stat/CP rebalance. We'll have to see exactly how they implement it, but Niantic did announce that more defensively-oriented Mons would have more utility.

... all of which MAY make Ice Beam Mewtwo unnecessary.

They could all have crap movesets. Mamoswine could only get Powder Snow and Aurora Beam, and get awesome Ground moves.
The others could have CPs too low to compete with IB Mewtwo.

I agree that it's likely that IB Mewtwo will be outclasses by Gen4, but it's far from certain. I thought it that Mewtwo would never lose Shadow Ball, but here we are, and my Legacy ones are currently really valuable.

As such, I wouldn't throw away stronger Mewtwos with any moveset, until we know the whole story. You get a 10/10/10 or something just a hair better, I'd wait until Halloween to transfer it.

Not all of them can get crap movesets, because Glaceon is guaranteed a good moveset with its current movepool. There aren't enough bad moves to choose from to shaft it, assuming previous rules for eeveelution movesets apply.

Only Glaceon is guaranteed a good moveset. Both Mamoswine and Weavile could easily get Niantic'd.

Even if Glaceon is slightly less good than mewtao as an ice attacker, we're talking about a pokemon that needs rarecandy in most instances to power up as opposed to an eevee evolution which are a dime a dozen for an ad best marginal DPS increase, mewtwo night edge out DPS, but that gap would hardly be enough to be worth it.

Glaceon has only 1 use you are less likely to max it at level 40 considering the stardust cost. Most trainers probably already has level 40 Mewtwo and be TM and serve multiple purpose.

I dont think most players have that many nonshadow ball mewtwo maxed out.

Also 'only one use' there's numerous double ice weak dragons in gyms as defenders, it will be fantastic against rayquaza without needing rarecandy, if torterra raids become a thing it will be great there.

And for people who say PvP, it will counter rayquaza, the pseudo legendary dragons, and can be places in gyms to give dragons trouble with their double weakness

These mewtwo sets are bad not because mewtwo is bad. But because there are better options.

This post certainly took a 180° turn from the one you made not that long ago lol
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/q-a/mewtwo-11

That said, I agree that FT and TB Mewtwo are practically useless. IB Mewtwo would be our top ice Mon right now, *if* Rayquaza comes back before Gen IV drops, and that seems highly unlikely. Focus Blast still has its uses, though if this upcoming stat/CP rebalance shakes up the gym defense meta a lot, we may see a decline in the use of fighting-type moves. Finally, Psychic, though a mediocre charge move, still puts Mewtwo at the top of the list for psychic-types. If he does get Psystrike one day, that will probably be his new best move, but until then, he's the uncontested king of his type.

To answer your question, I'd wait til the Halloween event starts to see if the usual 2x candy bonus returns and if it applies to trades. If bonus candy applies to both, then that'll be a good opportunity to trade/transfer away all your extra Mewtwo.

Because i started to wake up and see mewtwo's trash now. Slso the gen IV announcement changed some things, had gen iv not come out, it could have been good for some time, but sadly no.

Trash is definitely not the right word. Over saturated? Definitely. Less general utility without Shadow Ball? Sure, but other moves do have their purposes. Trash? Come on dude, you're just setting yourself up as an easy target.

Would you legitimately use those mewtwo when there's better option more available/less costly?

Compared to what mewtwo once was, I would say it is comparatively trash now.

It's like breloom or houndoom. On their own are the bad, no. But compared to machamp and Tyranitar, much better versions of themselves with only a marginal dps drop in a vacuum make them bad by comparison. Why would you power one of those up hen Tyranitar or machamp do the same job better? Even if mewtwo does beat glaceon/ ice types, the question then becomes is it worth the rarecany on mewtwo as opposed to a better legendary like rayquaza. There's several dragons not weak to ice but still weak to Dragon, palkia being an immediate example, later ones are kyurem and reshiram. As well as there's Also no fear of rayquaza being outclassed by event days, Dragon ascent isn't a Dragon move, it's flying.

Honestly? I'd consider an Ice Beam one if I had more dust. That's probably because my resources are skewed differently than most people; I have ~380k dust and over 560 rare candy, with nothing to dump the candy on. Admittedly the candy situation will change when the Gen 4 legendaries begin making their rounds, but still. If I had even double the dust I'd probably do it after Mewtwo leaves raids to free up the bag space if nothing else.

SInce you mentioned Rayquaza, I already have one that's maxed and another sitting at L30. I'm fully aware of Dragon Ascent's typing and know they're safe. Rayquaza being a favorite of mine, I probably would have maxed one anyway because favoritism reasons. I also have the "lesser" dragons powered up as well, one Salamence at ~L34 and a handful of various Dragonites ranging from lower 30's to maxed out.

Not to turn this into a dick-waving contest but hey, you asked if I legitimately would. Given what I do and don't have powered up yes, I would. I've got several legendaries with heavy investment, they're all in my box on my profile. When you run out of mandatory things to power up you turn to what would be fun to power up. For some that's a hundo Shuckle, for me it's an Ice Beam Mewtwo.

You said it yourself the RC situation will change in gen 4, so why use RC on something that wont be good when theres something that could make better use of them coming very soon,

I understand most people do have high level other legendaries, but rare candy is still rare candy, And with the new legendaries coming out, I would think even players with large numbers of powered up legendaries would want to save incase these new ones are better.

I haven't even fully decided if I'm going to yet due to the stardust more than the candy but in my case the question should be "Why not?". Over half my bag space is dedicated to RC at the moment and if I do blow my load with it I'll still have plenty for the incoming legendaries. Again, the bigger hangup for me is dust - if it were candy alone it wouldn't be a question. YMMV.

on a side note

Mamaswine has 2X weakness to fighting, steel, fire, water, and grass. That might become a liability on PVP.

PvP is irrelevent, firs tof its not implemented yet and might not be worth it at all, and second, Raids are the important thing as they are a definite thing.

And weaknesses are x1.4~ in this game. Mamoswines with ice moves are good against grass, and ground moves are good against fire and steel as well,

You sure are convinced of your own narrative. But it is just flat out wrong.

Mewtwo is the best ice type attacker right now, it will likely get out classed in the near future, but we dont know that that will certainly happen.

But the moveset to hold onto is Psychic. Mewtwo is the best Psychic in the game. It doesn't have any competition coming in Gen 4 and only risks competition from itself.

You do not know what will come in the future. We will shortly be getting Meltan in the game, a gen 8 pokemon that nobody had heard of a month ago. Do you know for certain that there won't be a Poison type legendary released within the next year? Before Mewtwo gets its sig move? You cant, is the thing. And it costs you nothing to hold a mewtwo with Psychic, unpowered up, until it gets outclassed or finds a use.

There are no poison legendary Pokemon in the series baring poison memory silvally or toxic plate arceus, and held items are not in the game and we don't know if form changes.like this will even be implemented. we don't know if let's go is actually completely gen 8, they had gen 4 Pokemon in the gen 3.spin offs, so we don't know if lets go is actually gen 8. Even assuming one is added, is a legendary specialist really needed for that when there's numerous other psychic types that can do the same thing without rare candy requirements?

If you consider Ultra Beasts there's Nihilego, but that's still several generations out.

The ultra beasts arent really clear whether they are legendaries, most dont consider them legenadires as you can get multiple of them in the same game file as well as having lower stats than legendries (base 570 compared to base 600+, the only excepptions beign type:null and silvally) and its also double weak to ground, similar situation to mewtwo Vs virizion, theres a better option because of higher effectiveness

You constantly go back and forth between your narrative too often. You said Machamp wasn’t as useful in bizarre situations and Mewtwo was great and now you’re saying Mewtwo is trash with no use without Shadow Ball and Machamp is simply better.

Look whether you hate Psychic as a move is fine but Mewtwo is still the best Psychic type all time. No Pokémon hardly get close to Alakazam let alone Mewtwo. I agree about Thunderbolt and Flamethrower but Ice Beam is very solid and he can resist and bulk much better than most ice types. Without any stab the fact that he’s nearly top 5-10 in those types is a statement in its own. What never fails is you take either one side or the other. You CAN believe Mewtwo is not as good as the top option but still a very good one, same goes for all Pokémon. Houndoom isn’t topping charts but against Psychic or Flamethrower I’d rather see somebody with a team of them than Aggron or Lugia. Also Aggron wouldn’t be a very efficient potion saver given how little damage he can do which wouldn’t make up for his defenses imo

Ever hear of something called 'change in outlook'? Sometimes when you play a game and you use something different you see how things differently.

I said it might be a bizarre situation, but it existed none the less, every pokemon has matches it doesnt do well in, the point of those was specifically to highlight them. its not like i was saying that held true for everything. So are you saying that in a general sense, any of mewtwo's current sets are more useful that shadow ball?
You seem to think im saying psychic mewtwo's not the best psychic attacker, it is, I said it was, but what I was saying is its not relevant. IT might be the best psychic attacker but outside of machamp raids, it doesnt do well. I'd consider mewtwo with those other moves a bad as for the same RC cost you can get better attackers of the same type or for the same stardust power up a nonlegendary that does about equal and not need to spent the RC on mewtwo, when considering what it costs vs how it preforms, it is inferior to other options. Back then we also didnt have confirmation gen 4 was coming, Rayquaza or groudon coming back was a possibility.

As yourself, would you use 100 RC to power up a raikou or a mewtwo agaisnt a kyogre?

You over think future proofing.

Theres a different between being outclassed and becoming irrelevant, I feel its something that would be addressed so people dont think just because X thing is best of type its good to power up when it isnt useful.

(Raikou says hi)

IMO, there's very few "bad" types. Poison, Fairy, and Bug are yet to shine, and Ground and Normal are very niche. Otherwise I'm happy to power up any of the top 3 in the others based on need. (I consider things like SB Mewtwo as a ghost, not as a psychic).

Man, you are on a major anti Mewtwo kick the last few days... What happened? Did you do a Mewtwo raid and those mean Pokémon trainers laugh at the Aggron army you raided with?

MewtwoGrossMaxis

If you’re attacking GRB-defended gyms for a long time, FB Mewtwo is awesome.

How would Psystrike make all other psychic sets obsolete? It has an even longer cooldown than Psycho Boost (which is a pretty bad move), and less DPS than Psychic, so as long as Niantic doesn‘t buff Psystrike (which I don‘t think will happen, as they didn‘t buff Psycho Boost), I don‘t really see Mewtwo being better off with Psystrike rather than Psychic.

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