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All the arguments for ex raids are now dead.

One of the most common arguments to defend this BS system was "Mewtwo is iconic, it should be hard to get!" This is a fair argument, except we know that's not how Niantic operate as they've not done the same for any other legendary. And now Mewtwo is coming out in raids for a month, that argument is officially dead.

Other arguments in favor of the ex raid system;

-It rewards people who play more! Except it doesn't, it's basically a random lottery. Infact There was a round of passes that appeared in about February time, where people were getting passes for gyms they'd never raided at before.

-It's a great social event! No it isn't. Community days are good social events because everyone can join in, you can plan well in advance and you're free to play wherever you like with whoever you like. Ex raids are exclusive, force you to go to a particular place and often at an inappropriate time for you, with people you don't even know/aren't close to. I skipped the last three i got, for the ones i did do i just did the raid and left.

-It encourages people to do one star raids! This is true, except as we know the system is just random, doing those one star raids was a con.

The system was also bad for rural players, who have it hard enough as it is. And it discouraged people from raiding when on holiday, incase they got a ex raid in Siberia a day after flying back to their home in Europe. This is contrary to the spirit of the game.

RIP all arguments that tried to defend the ex raid system.
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Asked by harrytipper26 years 9 months ago
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I won't lie, as convenient as it is for players to rack up dozens of legendaries something about being able to do so does sort of cheapen their legendary status. That said, the EX system as is wasn't the answer to that. To your points specifically;

-The February round in question was an accident, as people received passes to gyms they had previously spun maybe once. That round should not be considered in the EX assessment.

-EX raids as is are too limited because standard raid constraints are forced upon them. Having raided at a particular gym isn't much of an issue as connectivity with your local raid scene should narrow down what is and isn't an EX possibility. The EX raids being 45 minutes is the biggest hang-up; why not allow the raid to run all day so that groups can decide a week in advance if raiding it in the morning/afternoon/evening would be best?

-I mean, I'd be much more inclined to do a one star raid at a gym I knew handed out EX passes than one that didn't. This falls back to being in tune with your local raid scene.

I'm not saying the system is perfect or that rural players aren't dicked over by it. I'm just saying that for a lot of arguments there's a weird method to their madness, and while it can be improved upon greatly it does make some modicum of sense.

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Couldn't agree more with your first paragraph, i've never liked how they cheapen legendaries. I get more of a thrill catching shiny pokemon than for any legendary raid, unless the IVs are good.

There may have been "method in the madness" unfortunately the system was so poorly implemented, any possible benefits didn't happen.

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I have never met anyone that defends EX raids...

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You'd be surprised, I used to see these arguments over and over when anyone spoke out against the system.

Nowadays i think everyone agrees it's a bad system but in the early days some people seemed to think it was a clever idea.

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Not to mention there's a Task/Quest system in the game that rewards people for playing the game instead of punishing them for where they live.

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Using the quest system to get Mewtwo would have been a much better idea, it's a fair system that genuinely rewards how much you play. Not a lottery.

Although i would hope they wouldn't only allow us to get one Mewtwo as they do with Mew/Celebi, first Mewtwo i caught was 10 att, 12 def, 10 hp :P

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I think the game would be far more interesting if your battle parties were limited to 6 unique Pokemon, or at least gave better rewards for doing so. Then you'd still have a reason to grind for better IV's while giving second string Pokemon (like Banette or Swampert) a way to shine.

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I never power up more than one copy of each legendary to keep things a bit more interesting for me.

6 unique Pokemon would be a good idea, although perhaps wouldn't appeal to the less intelligent players. Just yesterday i met someone at a Articuno raid who was asking what Pokemon to use, didn't have the faintest idea without being told. Not being able to use 6 Tyranitars might be a bit too confusing for them.

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I did power up an extra Rayquaza and Moltres just for their flying movesets but otherwise I stick with one of each species too

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Nothing has changed with Mewtwo coming out to normal raids. We all knew that it would happen one way or another. If Niantic is determined to keep EX in their game, they will. We like it or not. But they will give us the chance to get it somehow else with time.

Pokemon go does hand over to everyone all the pokemon. Sooner or later. The next pokemon coming to EX will be exclusive only for a period of time, as Mewtwo was.

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Whether the arguments are dead or not, it is something that Niantic is going to continue. With the “share EX pass” in the game files, we know that it will continue. So now we know(or hope we know) that after a year of a boss being an EX exclusive, everyone will eventually get a chance to get it. I like the idea of opening my game to see that envelope open up to an EX pass. It’s thrilling. However, the system itself it flawed.

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Given that this whole topic feels like a lazy attempt to troll, I'm not sure whether to give it a serious reply at all.

0) Clearly the exclusivity argument isn't dead, but the handling is different than assumed. No matter what, we KNEW that Mewtwo was never going to be the only EX boss. At some point he would rotate out. The only question was how he was going to be handled once he rotated out, whether people were just permanently never going to be able to get one (unlikely), whether he'd come back to rotation (which I had assumed), or if he'd be available to the public through another method. Under what we now know to be the new system, EX raids provide early access to coveted legendaries and give them exclusive moves. And, given that Mewtwo has been a top counter for a few raids now (including himself), there's a pretty clear benefit in having had one early.

1) You KNOW that the February invites were a glitch. The fact that you're referencing it as some kind of "proof" undermines any argument you were trying to make. Otherwise, lottos favor people who buy more tickets. The people who raid at gyms more often have a better chance of getting in. However, depending on your area, pretty much everybody who raids might get a pass.

2) lulwhat? Are you claiming that CDs -- which you can do without ever running into another player -- are better social events than EX raids which force together players who may never have even met otherwise? I just want to be sure that's the claim you're going with. Most CDs the few trainers I run into never stop to talk because you're in the middle of a catch-fest. A few of the EX raids I wound up talking to players for an hour afterward.

3) It DOES encourage people to do 1-star raids. I've had EX raid invites where the only raid I did that week was a 1-star raid. And the few times I didn't get an invite were weeks when I hadn't raided there at all and had just done normal gym stuff.

4) Everything is bad for rural players. As for the idea that you somehow think vacations are "contrary to the spirit of the game".... what?

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Judging by your reply, you haven't even understood most of what i've said, so not gonna dignify you with a reply.

Learn to read posts properly.

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Textbook trolling. You post a barely comprehensible, highly flawed list of "arguments" then refuse to acknowledge any of the glaring problems even after they're repeatedly pointed out.

And it's not even a matter that your merit-less claims were immediately debunked by myself and others, but you posted them *knowing* that they were either outright false or misleading.

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