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Change Draco Meteor to Outrage?

On Dratini day I caught a 100% weather boosted level 35 Dratini and evolved it so it would have Draco Meteor. I also got a shiny with that move, so it's not my only one.

I've been thinking about changing it to Outrage now. I know Dragonite isn't what it used to be, but I feel I would get better use out of it with Outrage. The only thing holding me back is the fact that it is a community day move, but I do have another with it.

Should I go ahead and TM it or would it not make that much of a difference? I guess nostalgia and the fact that I can't get the move again is what's making me second guess myself.

These are my other dragons:

37.5 Dragonite - DT/O
37.5 Dragonite - DT/H
30 Latios - DB/DC

I have multiple level 20 Rayquaza and Salamence, but these would require powering up and TMs to become useful.

Asked by Elektron6 years 9 months ago

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I would TM your Dragonite to Outrage. If you don't power up any other dragon types, the Dragonites will be by far your best counters to Palkia raids when gen 4 comes. OR vs DM does make a relevant difference, OR is a better move AND 2-bar which makes it much nicer to use and less risky.

DM is a community day exclusive, but it's worse than the normal moveset and you have the shiny with it anyway for collection purposes, so I don't think you're losing out on much. In the end, it depends on how you feel about it.

Agree with Hous. I'm surprised you went this long without TMing it.

I evolved a token Dragonite to have Draco Meteor and then saved the best other Dragon I had (91% lvl 33, caught that day) until after the event to give it Outrage. My current best, a 96%, is also Outrage.

I have 3 outrage Dragonite maxed 3560 to 3550...DM 15a/9/15 at level 30. 15a/14/14 maxed Salamence. 3550 Rayquaza, 3500 Rayquaza and level 34 Latios. Not a legacy conflict here...need more candy though

I would be very happy if I had caught a weather boosted 100% at level 35, congrats! I am not sure I would have changed from DM to Outrage though, as it is quite exclusive, and in my experience Dragonite has enough bulk to make good use of the DM move for offensive purposes. I would rather have TM-ed the other dragon from Hurricane to Outrage, as there are other great alternatives for flying type damage in the game.

This.

If you already have outrage in other dragons or you could TM a non-exclusive move like hurricane why would you consider losing the exclusive move?
To be fair, DM is only slightly worse in DPS. Very slightly. And for what we know it might over perform outrage in some future scenarios (legendary dragons). So, I would keep it. Cause it's usable and a great move.

The exclusive move doesn't have much worth since it's not better than the normal moveset. People who missed the community day might take one in a trade just to have it for their collection, but it's far less valuable than SD Tyranitar, FP Venusaur or BB Charizard.

I have 5 DM Dragonites and if I needed 4 more for attacking, I'd TM them to OR in a heartbeat. 1 is enough for collection purposes.

The only reason I still keep Hurricane is for a Machamp anchor. I have better alternatives, I just haven't invested in them yet. Thanks for the advice.

I was going to say at least wait until Palkia raids because a 100% Shiny CD move Dragonite could be quite good for trading down the line; but then I remembered it randomizes IV's when you trade. So what do you value more, a rare Pokemon or a more usable one (although it will be outclassed once you get better dragons)? I personally would only do it If I had tons of charge TM's to waste, especially with Gen 4 coming up. Also if Dialga comes out before Palkia, Dialga will be the much better choice against Palkia because of the higher attack stat and steel typing cancelling out the dragon weakness.

To be clear, the 100% isn't a shiny. Thanks for the advice, though.

My advice: keep it. You might regret loosing it when Gen 4 dragons come to raids. DM might perform better than OR in those situations. But even if it didn't the difference would be negligible.
Have a look at this analysis:
https://youtu.be/aulgifORY_U

One DM is better than 2xOR. Dragonite is a better user of DM that salamence. And its bulkiness may make DM Dragonite the best for future dragon raids.

I can't rewatch the video right now but don't sims say that OR is better like 70-80% of the time on average? My recollection is that what RyanSwag also pointed out and the video just reinforced my opinion that there's not much reason to keep DM.

You're essentially correct. Most of the time, Outrage performs better. DM performs better against weaker raid bosses (aka Latias with thunder vs. Rayquaza with Outrage). The longer the fight, the better the chances of getting off another DM. The bottom line is, as stated above, 1 DM is better than 2 OR, but 3 OR is better than 1 DM.

I would keep DM and try to collect candies for another Dragonite with Outrage.

That assumes you can use more than one DM. Being full bar means more potential for energy to go to waste, making DM less reliable.

That said, if I were OP I'd keep DM. I'm a sucker for novelty.

Yes, you both are right that OR is better in most cases. But there may be situations in which DM outperforms OR. Both moves are comparable, DM just slightly worse.

Now, the analysis also states that when you are able to shoot DM, one DM is better than 2xOR. What I anticipate (I'm being cautious here) is that in the future we'll face new dragon bosses with lower projected attack than Rayquaza. In these cases Dragonite being one of the bulkiest dragons is going to be able to use DM more effectively (again, will depend whether it's able or not to use OR more times and surpass the performance of DM).

In any case, I think that you all are painting DM as the awful move that it is not. I would keep it given that it's not far behind OR and there is no chance to get it back.

Thanks for all of the advice, I really appreciate it. I've had a long day and haven't had a chance to check in on this topic until now.

I'm probably going to keep DM for now. I've gotten incredibly stingy with my stardust, but now with 4.5M I guess it's time to start using some, lol.

I have 4 96% Dratini, with 3 having 15 attack and 784 candy, so I'll start investing in one of them.

I never got a really good Rayquaza, my best was a weather-boosted 13/13/15 ADS with AS/AP.

With 42 fast TMs, 32 charge and 4.5M dust, I'd say I need to start putting some of that to use.

Once again, I really appreciate all the feedback and opinions!

Personally I wouldn't use a TM on that Dragonite; Outrage is technically better, yes, but there is no undoing it if you have second thoughts. And DM is an extremely good move by itself; I've got a 96% Level 35 Dragonite from Community Day (powered up from a level 20 hatch) which still has DM, and I have never given serious consideration to TM'ing it to Outrage.

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