I don't believe they think about that kind of things when releasing new bosses, but rather mildly evaluate how desirable the bosses might be for soloists, casuals, and hardcorists alike. The end result just shows how supreme fighting types are in general and we only have The Pokemon Company to blame.
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Why is nearly every single tier 4 Raid Boss that Niantic introduces since some time before weak to fighting?
The only one i remember they introduced after the second rotation that is not weak to fighting is Feraligatr and Alolan Marowak. the rest were either horribly weak to grass and water and/or are weak to fighting. Why is this even the case with fighting weak bosses? I think at least Gardevoir, Salamence, Ampharos, Flygon or Metagross should be put into the roster for a change.
I'm not complaining but just pretty curious about the choices.
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Probably because if they made more of the tier 4's things that arent weak to fighting people would complain that they need to go out and get more pokemon to do raids as opposed to just using their machamp. All having them weak to the same type lets players spend less time preparing counters and more time being able raid
Theres also more types they share as weaknesses, its just fighting becomes the one most associated with it because of the high DPS it outputs and them already being raid ready (most tier 4's shared more than a few weaknesses through out the whole run of raids, its just fighting tends to be the most high profile shared weakness)
It's not like people only have Machamp armies. Most players worth their salt won't have to literally start at square one, I could probably point at any given player on this site and they'd have at least a few counters for any given situation. For Regis there's Machamp, for egg trees there's Ice and dragons, for Gen 4 there's ghosts and dark types. Barring new or extremely casual players I'd be hard pressed to find someone completely incapable of handling themselves in a given raid scenario.
I know most players dont use only machamp, every pokemon has its match ups, but I mean in a more general sense, players wont have as many. Yes players likely have more than one or two of the best attackers of each type powered up , or at least the ability to do so, but a large shift on the raids would still require, at least to some extent for every player some form prep work. I think we can both agree most players likely have more machamp powered up than other pokemon species
Yup, saw that too, and it did sound insulting in its tone, even if it wasn't intentional. But that's just the reputation MetagrossMaxis has built up for himself doing half the work adding an extra layer of subtext to everything he writes about Machamp and people who realize how important it is in general.
You seem to think I dont think machamp is useful. Quite the contrary, since i finally was able to TM my max iv to a double fighting set, it's been in use regularly since Piloswine came back and does deal with blissey fast in gyms, and that it is not only useful against the tier 5, but is the best counter (it was good against steel and ice, but not their supreme counter)
But worse than that, is the targeted vitriol the guy attracts. I get that many don't agree with some of the things he says/said, but to see every single post targeted by the same players EVERY TIME he posts is just pathetic.
I am not saying you are one of these that target his every post, but these people are here - and I am sure you have seen them too.
They seem to think it makes them cool or tough or something to target every single post he makes...when in fact it makes them look childish weak immature and rather petty.
Mmmmm NOPE. No. Not even close bro. If this was the case, they would exclusively pump raid bosses that were weak to whatever legendary they are trying to promote at the time and people would complain that they can't use their hard-earned legendaries to battle the current wave of raid bosses, which Niantic would of course promptly ignore. Legendaries are much harder to power up and I would bet your life that they pull in the biggest income sources for Niantic through raid passes.
Stop trying to demote the importance of Machamp by bending every discussion topic into a hate-rant against the most useful Pokemon in the game, of which I am sure you have just a good one AT MOST which surely is why you are so salty about it being so important.
By this point, you are starting to just sound and smell like a troll, and every good topic or reply you write (however good or reasonable it may be) carries the weight of this pointless negativity and Trumpism that quickly invalidates your opinion for 90% of the user base that regularly visits the Q&A of this site.
Just accept reality already.
Again, you seem to think I was saying something bad about it, I was actually saying what it did well and why it was good. I went back in to clarify because I knew people would take what I was saying the wrong way.
I do agree that would make sense if niantic would make every raid weak to the legendary they were promoting, but that would also bring up a lot of other problems, namely the need to spend Rarecandy which can only be gotten in large quantities from raids, something players likely wont get much of if the tier 5 and its type are the only effective raid attackers, meaning players likely would only be able to raid the tier 5
(Edit, there are also some legendaries that have very limited effectiveness either type wise of stat wise, one example being dragon types, most do have a secondary type, but of three legendary dragons their dragon type set is their best, or legendaries that are geared to defense like the regis, latias, or lugia, their offensive rolls are able to be done better by nonlegendaries)
I'm not gonna engage debating the real purpose of your original comment, by this point I'm not really sure if you just shitpost to troll or take your opinions seriously. All I'll say is that you need to change your rhetoric because it's getting tiring to see you getting slam dunked by most of the regulars here every time you post an opinion or a biased question precisely because of how biased you make yourself sound. The worst part is that you actually post some good stuff from time to time when your bias doesn't show, and it's a shame that 9 out of 10 times you'll cause an uproar from other users because we are all used to your ways and know your opinionated thoughts by heart.
The fact is that the way you wrote your reply originally, it seemed like you were mocking literally everyone who has realized the usefulness of fighting types and I am not the only one who noticed it. It doesn't matter if that was intentional or not because you actually realized this and added more info to try to fix it. So you knew probably before I even had time to finish my first direct response to you. It is also known that you don't take enough time to double check your posts, so that is also on you.
I don't think they give raid lineups too much thought, for better or worse. If they did we probably wouldn't have gotten Shuckle as a T3 boss. As for fighting's relevance, when a type deals SE damage against 5 very common types it's almost hard to not pick stuff that isn't weak to it.
I'm on board with all of your choices for T4 raids by the way. As much as I like Tyranitar I think it's about time another pseudo had the spotlight.
On one hand I agree - it would be nice to get a Pseudo-legendary (like Salamence) as a Raid boss. I'm bored stiff with Tyranitar and I only do Absol for the potential Shiny. The others I ignore entirely (now that I have my Dex Entry Alolan Marowak)
On the other hand, I've started to be a bit wary of the effect that having Tyranitar as a Raid Boss might be having on the game. We're looking at an ultra-rare and extremely useful Pokémon that can be caught at Level 25, with no need to spend any candy to evolve it. That's a hell of an advantage, and removes all the motivation for evolving a Larvitar to a Ttar. You save yourself 615km of walking (123 candies * 5km * 123 candies, since you get 1 back after every evolution) and use that to raise a Weather Boosted Ttar from 25 to 36. Sure, hatching a Larvitar is great for giving more candies, but when you can go out and raid Weather Boosted Ttars there is little to no incentive to evolve a Larvitar - so why bother putting much effort into hatching 10km eggs hoping for Larvitar?
Salemance, Gardevoir and Metagross would be similar, though not quite as useful as Tyranitar. There would be no incentive to try to hatch great Ralts, Beldun or Bagon (if you can even hatch Ralts anymore; I've heard it's out of the eggs now), so no incentive to buy Incubators.
Heck, putting ANY of the Stage 3 Evolutions as a Raid Boss has this kind of issue. Machamp? Walerin? The Starters final Evolutions? Etc. Even the ones that aren't useful, like the Nido's and Poliwrath all are similar; they remove incentive for evolving the basic and stage 1 evolutions. And I'm not sure that's a good thing for the game - it feels like Niantic going "Isn't this COOL? You can beat and catch a FULLY EVOLVED POKEMON, with GREAT IV's! WOOHOO!" and not considering the implications of it on the rest of game play.
Don't get me wrong, as long as they're going to be in the game I'm quite happy to exploit it when I want to. I like having 9 Ttars over level 30, and I'd be quite happy to have 9 Salemance over level 30 too. Or Gardevoir, or Metagross. But I think it might be a better thing to go the route they've gone with Kirlia - introduce the Stage 1's as Raid Bosses at Level 2.
I hope that when gen IV comes, they add the other pseudo legendaries in, I feel thay had tyranitar in from the start because it was the best counter to both mewtwo and lugia (the first two legendaries, and lugia in particular being a huge pain even with large groups from what i've heard). It's still good to use and it a reliable source of candy for older players but removing it would also severally handicap newer players, some of the best attackers like machamp and tyranitar likely will stay permanent fixtures in raids as a reliable way for newer players to get a hold of them as they're somewhat difficult to get in the wild (though them removing magikarp was a surprise, given it was a reliable way for players not near water to get access to them)
What would you drop in the T4 spot then? Being the highest rank below legendaries implies the fights are expected to be tough; I can't imagine any NFE's putting up an exciting fight. There aren't many single stage Pokemon that fit the bill of excitement besides Lapras and Snorlax, who have been T4 bosses already. You've even said you only raid Absol for the shiny chance and don't even look at the others.
Keep in mind they need to be interesting and bring something to the competitive table for people to band together for them - this is a non-issue for T3s and below since most players start soloing them shortly after level 30. I don't think the issue is with the bosses being there, I think it's with them having such long raid campaigns as they have - Tyranitar having only been swapped out once for a week being the most notable example.
Also yes, AFAIK Ralts has been out of the egg pool for a while now. Makes those Kirlia raids a higher priority.
Also also, inb4 Garchomp is thrown in as a T4 boss immediately.
Seeing garchomp (or really any other pseudo legendary) as a tier 4 would be great. Most people probably aren't using metagross or salamence if they're saving for if Niantic does an event for them, so having them as raids would actually be a good way of getting people to use them without giving up their high IV ones they've stocked up or dipping too much into their candy pool
It's a very good question, and I don't have a good answer because I don't know much about future generations of Pokémon. In general I would suggest going the same route as with Absol and Alolan Marowak - either they have no "normal" Evolutions (like Absol) or they are only found as Raid Bosses (or occasional Research Breakthroughs). Pokémon like Turtonator, for example. (which I only know of through the Anime and doing a search online to see if it's a Stage 2 Evolution or not - apparently it has no evolutions, so it would fit) And potentially keep in the "50 Candies to Evolve" group like Rhydon and Houndoom - they're still a bit of a problem, but as they are far more common in the wild and have less of a walking distance for Buddy's, I don't see them as being nearly as much of a problem of Tyranitar and other Pseudo-legendary's, or even the lesser 3 Stage Evolutions (like Walerin, Golem and the Starters).
The biggest reason I don't raid the other bosses is that I don't need many of them and they aren't particularly attractive to anyone but new players. Rhydon is a example of a Level 4 raid boss, and I don't have a concern with it (not like I do with the 3 Stage Evolutions) - the reason I ignore it is that I've played for so long that I've got 3 Rhydon at level 35 and IV's above 91. AND I've still got 725 candies set aside for Rhyperior. If I didn't have those awesome Rhydon's, I would likely be doing Rhydon raids. I would be doing Absol and Houndoom raids for the actual Pokémon if I didn't have so many Tyranitars, and so didn't need any more Dark attackers.
FFS can we please stop this petty bullying of specific individuals.
It isn't cool, or tough, it is weak and petty and immature.
Making a post to specifically target any individual is unnecessarily childish.
Many of us have been enjoying this site for a long time, and would prefer not to come on here and see targetted bullying ruin what has been a decent community and a good information source.
By all means, discuss the topic and debate your own choices and preferences - but targeted bullying is simply pathetic and unnecessary.
I just noticed a Urasing popped down the street & was contemplating a solo battle with the mighty bear...
but alas, my army of machamps can't do it alone 😠 calcy shows aprx 34% at 115sec... even a duo might be tough
There's always a way to keep things interesting, challenge yourself if you're bored?
Try raiding n use every other type except fighting 🤔 try defending gyms without using blissey?
If they nerf stats everyone gets p1ssed.... so really just have to wait til they change/ update the meta.
The best games will always get boring once you've clocked them or done what u set out to achieve.
I have a few friends who started playing 6mths ago & they're hangin to get better pokemon & do solo/ duo raids. Helping them has kept me interested in playing n keen to see what niantic can pull out of their butts next
Note: I only have 1 alolan marowak.... don't see it spawn too often (+only have couple hrs window after work) I'm determined to get at least 1 more b4 they're gone
I dont think they'd remove the alolan's from the raids, the three that are raid bosses share the same base evolution as the kantonian form, so they would either have to add the ability to pick which evolution you want and/or make them available in the wild (I know Eggtree was in the wild, but those were special events, I haven't heard anything about them being wild outside of those). IT wouldn't be unlike ninantic to make certain pokemon raid exclusive, mawile is proof of that (and absol as well, I haven't seen anything about its research, it still in the pool?)
Absol has been out of the research pool for a while now. I do miss it, landing a singular excellent curve is fairly easy against a big enough target.
An interesting idea I thought of would be to add Pichu, Cubone, and Exeggcute into the 7k pool. Code it so if they're hatched from 7k eggs they evolve into A-forms, if caught/hatched normally they evolve into their K-forms. A-Eggs, A-Diglett, and A-Geodude still exist in the wild, they're just incredibly scarce.
Ah, sad to see it go, it was a good little challenge to get an excellent curve
That would be interesting. I'd like to see other ways of getting them (mostly as on my college, the raid policy of my chat is "tyrantiar or tier 5, nothing else" and I'm willing to bet theres others with the same mentality). Really? eggtree's wild, good to know.
