I have 2 95.6% Groudon. I'm OCD when it comes to stardust so i really only want to power up legendaries with perfect or the best attack stats but one of them is 13A/15D/15S but caught weather boosted at 2890 and the other is 2310 15A/15D/13S. Which one is worth the dust?
From 20 to 25: 28 Candy 31,000 Dust
25 to 40: 220 Candy, 194,000 dust.
So would you spend about 13% more candy, 16% more dust to switch 15 Stamina/13 Attack to 15 Attack/13 Stamina
At 40, the odds of hitting a break point with 15 vs 13 attack is pretty small.
At 40, the odds of surviving a move due to the extra couple hps to do another move, are pretty small.
I think the scenario of hitting another breakpoint with 15 attack vs. 13 attack, which is particularly valuable for a low-damage move like Mud Shot, is more likely than surviving due to ~2 extra HP (can't be much more or less than that). There certainly have been meta-relevant examples of Pokemon hitting their last breakpoint only with 15 attack. The dust/candy difference is minimal given the potential upside.
It's really not that big of a deal when powering to 40. to 30, sure.
Take Thunder Kyogre, even with its large stats Mudslap is same for a 0 attack as it is 15. If you were stopping at 30, yes 15 attack matters A LOT. but at 40 not so much.
Take Aggron. with 5th highest defense state in the game. At level 40, 10 Attack to 15 is same. At level 38 13 attack is different than 15. But at 38.5 Not so much.
If your powering to 40 the odds of it mattering are slim to none. I checked Regis, Cloyster.
It really matters a lot to players who are lower level, but 38+ with 40 pokemon, it doesnt much
No, you don't, you just checked few particular match ups.
Ok, zapdos is pretty bad example, I always forget about immunity.
But let's take your example:
> Take Thunder Kyogre, even with its large stats Mudslap is same for a 0 attack as it is 15
Against kyogre dragon tail is superior to mud shot in many scenarios (check pokebattler), and guess what? Level 40 Groudon hits breakpoint with 15 att and doesn't with 13!
I'm not going to check every match up to disprove your statements again, my point is that you made false generalization.
> At 40, the odds of hitting a break point with 15 vs 13 attack is pretty small.
> It's really not that big of a deal when powering to 40. to 30, sure.
> It really matters a lot to players who are lower level, but 38+ with 40 pokemon, it doesnt much
It sounds like common true for every pokemon (or at least ones with huge base stats), but it is only true for mud shot groudon within few scenarios.
Now you are nitpicking questions,
I seem to see there I said "For Mudslap" and it's true, and you replied "For DT" its not. Which raises a whole nother question on what the best move is, and will you fast tm back and forth.
Meanwhile, you looked at Magneton as a disapprover of the general statement. Which frankly is silly. It's a level 2 raid. When your talking Level 40 Pokemon, you're absolutely not caring about Mid-Maxing a Level 2 raid.
So Generally means usually.... and guess what... my statement is ..... Generally correct.
Now, as for your other Disapprover about DT vs Mudshot vs Kyogre. You're now getting into the most minute of differences. Did you know at Level 40, if you are "No Dodge" DT pulls ahead of Mudshot. Did you know if you are "Dodge all" MS still pulls ahead.
So explain to me how 1 example that depends on how a player play style, means the word "Generally" is false.
If you want to check every scenerio, then yes go play at pokebattle, use the breakpoint calculator. And again you will still find Generally is the best word. There will be a small percentage of match ups where 15 a and 13 a aren't the same at 40.
Of course, there is also going to be a small set of match ups where the extra 2 hps, allow the pokemon to get off one more QM or finish firing a CM.
Anyway, I didn't say Always, I said Generally. And I stick by that.
You've yet to show me evidence that disproves the validity of that word.
> You've yet to show me evidence that disproves the validity of that word.
No, I've found mistake in your logic, that's enough.
To make this generalization YOU should either check most of the useful match ups, and find that you deal with a breakpoint in x% of the cases at lvl30 and in y% at level 40, and x>y (significantly), or another way is to write a theory (don't confuse with a hypothesis) which explains why you deal with breakpoints less frequently at lvl40.
It's pretty basic logic rules, you should remember it from school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization
currently, Groudon is not paricularly usefull in Raids.
You might want to use him against Registeel, but Moltres, Entei, Flareon and Machamp are all preferable.
I'm not sure about Heatran in Gen 4 but until then I would not invest the Stardust yet.
Actually I always wait for a new T5 raidboss to show up before I power up.
THEN I go over to Pokebattler.com and do the simulations. Sometimes Attack is better (Golem vs Ho-Oh) sometimes you hit a bulk-point and survive 1 more hit with more stamina. And sometimes both have the exact same time to win. In the first two scenarios you know which one is better for the current raid boss, and I would delay my decision until then. Right now we cannot predict for sure which movesets and stats the future raid bosses will have so it is pure speculation which one is better.
Depends on your attacking style.
If you are able to dodge reliably, the Level 20 Groudon is the better investment. If you are like many other players (like myself) and only Dodge when you're trying to get that 1 extra Charged move off, then the Level 25 is a better investment because it is more likely to survive that one attack.
Given my personal Stardust and Candy situation, I would power up the Level 25. But if I had enough for either, I'd prefer to power up the Attack 15 Level 20.
