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Mewtwo moveset?

I'm sure this has been asked before and I've read the guide on this site, but what is your preferred moveset for Mewtwo? Both quick moves are viable and there are 3 charge moves to consider.

Quick: Psycho Cut has better EPS and is nice and spammy; Confusion has outstanding DPS but has a long cooldown.

Charge: Focus Blast is good for taking down normal types commonly encountered in gyms without the liabilities of Machamp (e.g. ZH, DG, PR), but not all (Dragonite, not ideal vs. Tyranitar); Shadow Ball has the best overall DPS and hits some important weaknesses (mirror match, Jynx, Latios/Latias), but is resisted by normal types; Psychic allows it to be a specialist, but isn't a great move in itself.

Basically, all of this boils down to one basic question: What is Mewtwo's ideal role? In a perfect world, I'd like to have more than one so that I can spread across multiple movesets, but I can't pin any hope on that given how long it took for me to get the one. I currently have PC/FB for the EPS/dodge combined with the SE damage of FB against gyms, although I'm not convinced that my Machamps are much worse (the FB animation looks pretty sweet, though, when it registers). I could play the CTM lottery to try to get SB, but then I'm not sure how often I'd be using it in raids given the rise of the specialist and the few current matchups where Mewtwo is the ideal choice. What have you given your Mewtwo(s), what do you use it for, and how often do you use it?

Asked by TyFox7 years 5 months ago
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Mewtwo has several roles and 3 movesets hit them:

Confusion/Shadow Ball = DPS Generalist, Psychic Specialist, Ghost Specialist

Confusion/Focus Blast = Psychic/Fighting-resistant Fighting specialist

Psycho Cut/Shadow Ball = Ghost Specialist, minor Dodge/Weave Generalist

Of these, the first role is the most prominent. Mewtwo isn't the best Fighting type specialist and relies on its resistance to Psychic attacks to edge out Machamp, and this only serves it for TDO and Potion-efficiency. Its roles in the first option give it supremacy over all other options. Mewtwo with Psycho Cut is useful if it's all you have, but gives way for other generalist options or other psychic options, and is only really noteworthy for its higher EPS, key if its targets are weak to Ghost and not Psychic.

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When specifically do you use your C/SB Mewtwo, then? I understand your points, but I feel like C/SB doesn't have much of a role except as a raid team filler most of the time. That's not to say that things can't change - and hopefully they do, because these T3s are terrible overall - but currently do you ever take out your C/SB Mewtwo?

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1) Raid team filler, i.e. pre-Groudon Raikou, Blizzard Kyogre

2) Psychic specialist (Shadow Ball is on par with Psychic against things weak to Psychic

3) Ghost specialist, filler for Mewtwo since I don't have 6 max perf ttars laying around

4) Gym sweeping when the gym lacks normal types. I see it as a Dragonite with dt/or but faster since Shadow Ball is a quicker charged move than Outrage with just as good neutral game.

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I only use psycho cut because of how quick he hits, energy gain, and how he dodges. Shadow combined with it is great against everything but a fully powered up Blissey/snorlax. But that’s what Machamp is for.

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by format 7 years 5 months ago

i'm curious if moves still generate the same amount of energy if resisted ? i gym a huge amount and have never been impressed by shadow ball's performance in raids as a generallist over actual counters, plus most gyms feature a couple of normal types so i tend to favour pc/fb for pc's fast dodge of moves like heavy slam and dazzling gleam and fb for typing (as it's a dog of a move to use).

psychic is a sub-par move but at least it's very fast - is there much difference between fb and psychic (+stab) on a blissey in real terms ?

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1) I’m pretty sure EPS doesn’t depend on the actual amount of damage dealt.

2) FB deals 140, no STAB. Psychic deals 100, which is multiplied by 1.2 for STAB, making it 120. So FB wins in neutral matchups. Against things weak to fighting, it deals 196, which is a huge difference, far more than the difference in cooldown.

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thanks for the good reply. i don;t use psychic on any of my mew2's but had wondered if i could land 2-3 psycho cuts alongside psychic in the time a FB takes to land - from those numbers even the extra attacks and energy are outweighed by dmg to something weak to fight so psychic is only ever useful vs. weak to psychic (type) which is both very rare on gyms or raids and has some pretty strong counters already.

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The mewtwo fighting role should never exist. Like seriously comparing focus blast and dynamic punch is like comparing a volkswagen to an aston martin. Yes, Machamp has the liabilities of ZH, DG, PR as you mentioned, but the utility of DP in gym sweeping is just so good by virtue of the 2 bar (and as a bonus, deals more damage as well). Mewtwo is less than 10% away from C/DP Machamp in terms of DPS wise in a vacuum, but you can't hedge all your bets on focus blast which hits late and is almost guaranteed to waste you energy.

I see mewtwo only as a psychic specialist with confusion/psychic or the confusion/shadow ball generalist for everything except normal or dark types. Psycho cut shouldn't be there either because if it is included Mewtwo is no longer best neutral DPS.

It's hard to make a case against the best neutral DPS or the best psychic specialist, but it's quite easy to argue that the fighting mewtwo is not optimal.

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Agreed, though I do know that not everyone is willing to throw away oodles of revives and potions on reviving multiple Machamps to battle a ZH/DG or ZH/P Blissey.

Those that have potions and revives to spare know that Machamp is king

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PC/SB is better than C/SB when using as a psychic counter, against M2 or the lati@s for example.

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Why would you use Mewtwo as a psychic counter when there is that green mountain pokemon? I really don't get those who advocate using mewtwo in the mirror match or as a psychic counter, the green mountain is much better at doing it.

As a focus blast (or any fighting move) contingency? Well there is Gengar well ahead in the psycho cut variant. That leaves a 'maybe' niche only in the Confusion+Focus blast case. But even in that case, Dragonite/Sal/Rayquaza pretty much tie the DPS although are less survivable (not resisting the confusion but still tanking the FB like mewtwo)

So yes mewtwo as a mewtwo counter only perhaps the best in one out of 8 possible movesets.

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He is the best counter against psychic as well and he is better than ttar against all movesets except shadow ball.

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I find it hard to believe.

For HB mew2, Tyranitar resists Hyper Beam.
For psychic mew2, tyranitar should also perform better.

I just don't understand this. :(

Hopefully mew2 gets Psystrike soon.

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i currently don't use mew2 at all, he sits at lv.30 (none of mine have great iv's) and is massively outclassed by recent legendaries or lv.35 specialists like machamp. don't think game ever throws him up in "suggested" either (though that's no good indication).

just trying to find a niche for it and since i gym a lot resisting psychic attacks and not being weak to dg is handy less to save revives/potions and more to not have to waste time using them between fights.

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My Mewtwo has Confusion/Psychic. I don't want HB (self explanatory) or FB (I have an excellent Machamp already and if i want an item efficient gym attacker I use Ho-Oh). I'd like to try him out in Machamp raids but haven't seen one since I got him... typical, right?

My Mewtwo's role is strictly to be a Psychic type specialist and his moveset is the best he could have for that purpose. Before I got him I had just one good Psychic type attacker, a PC/FS Zam at lv30. My only Espeon with C/FS is ~lv26 and I can't bother spending dust on him.

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I'm powering up a PC/P Mewtwo for the same reasons. If I ever get a second one, I'll make that one PC/SB.

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by TyFox 7 years 5 months ago

Based on my own personal experience and the helpful responses you've all given me, I decided to TM to C/SB. I'll try it out next time I have a good opportunity to do so and see how I like it; I don't imagine changing SB, but I might go back and forth between C and PC. Fortunately I have twice as many FTMs as CTMs and not really much of an outlet for them, so I can play around with it. Thanks everyone!

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Both of mine have confusion/shadow ball for a moveset. I have plenty of machamp and espeons though, so I didn't need a psychic attacker or a gym cleaner. If you have a need for one of those it might be worth considering focus blast or psychic.
As for using mewtwo... Well honestly I don't that much. I use it for machamp and jynx solo raids. Other than that, I only ever really use it when rejoining a nearly finished raid after wiping out because it has good DPS and is near the top of my CP list, making it convenient to slot in to the recommended when I'm only going to use one more pokemon. Occasionally I will use it in normal-less gyms.

TL;DR: What moveset you want will depend largely on what other pokemon you have powered up. And as someone with machamps, espeons, and a wide range of powered up raid counters, I don't use mewtwo much at all.

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by cube 7 years 5 months ago

I'm going to go out on a branch here. I don't actually use my Mewtwo nor like its movesets

It's a fantastic generalist, but I have other Mon that I find are personal favourites I will use instead.

I will take my Machamp over Mewtwo for fighting specialisations, partly because I like my Machamp better (100% IV).

I already had a psychic team for dealing with Machamps pre-Mewtwo, so I haven't found myself in need to invest the dust. I also don't do Machamp raids anymore. I am a bit OCD and like mons with double moveset being the same typing. Psychic in this instance just isn't that flash.

Ghost moveset is too niche for me. I honestly haven't found a time when my existing Tyranitars couldn't do the job.

Maybe just playstyle preference, but Mewtwo to me is a dex filler and I like to spend the dust instead on 100% IV mon or those I find a particular liking towards. I'm sure there's a good future use for it, at which time practicality will overtake personal whims.

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Psycho Cut/Shadow Ball is the preffered moveset for me, as it seems that I've been only fighting Mewtwo when it has Focus Blast. So then it's a nice addition to the team. Otherwise I don't really use Mewtwo that much because it's not nessecary for Machamp and I hate using Focus Blast.

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