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Niantic has ruined a lot of Gen3 Pokémon with terrible move pool. Let's just imagine how would it be if the following Pokémon get a move change?
1. Ampharos
Out-Focus Blast
In-Dragon Pulse

2. Aggron
Out-Thunder
In-Flash Cannon

3. Armaldo
Out-Water Pulse, Cross Poison
In-Stone Edge, X-Scissor

4. Metagross
Out-Earthquake
In-Meteor Mash(New Move)
Meteor Mash= 70(×3), 2.20s

5. Sceptile
Out-Earthquake, Aerial Ace
In-Solar Beam, Dragon Claw

6. Tyranitar
Out- Fire Blast
In- Hyper Beam

7. Salamence
Out- Hydro Pump
In- Any Flying type move or a Multi bar move or Hyper Beam

Asked by AR2525147 years 2 months ago

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That's always what i thought. They are indeed ruining otherwise decent pokemon with terrible moves. And when i state this out, i get downvoted or getting called out by people who think it's "diversity". It is not.

Also please don't put Dragon moves onto anything non-dragon, it translates to disaster.

If i were you i would just do this:

Ampharos: Focus Blast > Thunderbolt

Aggron: Thunder > Rock Slide

Armaldo, Metagross: Keep them

Sceptile: Solar Beam Keep, Not Dragon Claw, X-Scissor

Tyranitar: Fire Blast > Rock Slide

Salamence: Hydro Pump > Dragon Claw/Outrage

Also legendaries should get signature moves, but most of them are in the coding, rest is up to devs.

To be honest, the only pokemon in this short list that are ruined by the moveset are Armaldo and Salamence (which has one of the highest neutral DPS in the game in its "ruined" state). Everything else is either obsoleted by their stats rather than the moveset or is relevant with the current movesets.

Mega Ampharos becomes part dragon type, not sure if moveset would carry over during mega evolution in GO. But if it does, the dragon move would make sense.

Could you explain your reasoning behind 1, 5 and 6?

1 goes very far! All the way to Gen6. This will help Ampharos get STAB from Dragon moves after it MEGA Evolves.

5 is actually pretty obvious. Currently, Sceptile can't do anything without Leaf Blade. Sceptile needs Solar Beam. With its decent attack, Sceptile and Solar Beam will be s great recipe for destruction! Anyway, Aerial Ace needs to be replaced by Dragon Claw. Dragon Claw has the same triple bar move and it will be a great move for Sceptile to attack neutral enemies.

6 is actually not very important. Tyranitar uses Hyper Beam as a destructive move in the anime and I just thought that since Fire Blast is already useless so why not replace it with Tyranitar's 'traditional' move.

Okay, but Solar Beam on Sceptile with it's frailty? The long cooldown is a real problem on Solar Beam, so the Pokémon needs to be able to eat a few attacks. Sceptile is not too bulky, so that's rather risky.

Well, I never said that Solar Beam will be Sceptile's greatest move. But it would be a good move to have. Just like Machamp (whose best move is Dynamic Punch but Close Combat is also usable), Sceptile will have a 'Perfect' move and a 'Sub-Optimal' move. And to be true, I think Earthquake doesn't make any sense with Sceptile. It has no use on Sceptile. And though Sceptile can learn Earthquake on the main games, I think it wasn't a good idea. A grass Pokémon with a weight of only about 50kg using Earthquake makes no sense. It's actually kind of funny. I'm not saying it'll be the best thing to do but I think Niantic should replace Sceptile's Earthquake with Solar Beam which comparatively has a much better use and makes much more sense!

None of them would make a difference otherwise than maybe meta gross, but that may not

1. Ampharos
Why replace the best defensive move on a defender? Replace Thunder if anything since it has absolutely no function in the movepool.

2. Aggron
HS is much better than Flash Cannon so wouldn't be a significant upgrade.

3. Armaldo
SE wouldn't make a difference without a rock fast move. X-Scissor would be nice.

4. Metagross
Doesn't really need Meteor Mash to be top of its type but sure, it would be amazing with a move like that.

5. Sceptile
Leaf Blade is better than Solar Beam and even more so on a glass cannon like Sceptile. DC would be just as irrelevant as AA is.

6. Tyranitar
Doesn't make any difference, would get TM'd out all the same.

7. Salamence
Hydro Pump is a much better coverage move than Hyper Beam since it hits fast and is SE against some counters. Multibar moves would be nice.

I think Dragon Pulse would be an even better defensive move for Ampharos as it has 2 bars and it does good neutral damage.

Rock Throw is currently the only rock type quick move in the game. I believe Niantic eventually has to bring Rollout, Head Smash, and Smack Down. So Stone Edge CAN give Armaldo hope to be a good rock type attacker. By the way, Cross Poison and Water Pulse have no use on Armaldo at all! In fact, Armaldo is the worst sufferer of terrible moves. So the 2 terrible moves really needs to be replaced.

Metagross currently has no multibar moves. A move like that will help Metagross rise higher as an attacker and bring out its role as a defender as well. Though it will get demotivated fast, but it can still defend well and it will also help keeping the tower high.

Solar Beam won't be Sceptile's best move but it will be a good second option like Machamp's Close Combat. Earthquake s....ks! And this is the move I thing DESPARATELY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

I agree that Dragon Pulse would be a decent defensive move. However I think we should just replace Thunder at that point since it doesn't have any real function in the movepool. Niantic needs to stop doing these Thunder+Zap Cannon, Heat Wave+Fire Blast+Overheat etc. movepools.

You have a fair point with Armaldo, and I agree that they will practically be forced to bring in a new rock quick move in the future. SE is an improvement for attacking for sure.

I'm not sure why they made Metagross have only one-bar moves but it sure does seem intentional. I'm not opposed to the idea of making it more fearsome as a defender, I would certainly appreciate more defenders that put a serious hurt on the attacker because of their firepower, not because they take so long to kill.

You are correct about Solar Beam on Sceptile, would make the mon easier on the TMs. Only reason for keeping EQ I can think of is that they plan to make it a raid boss and want a coverage move for fire.

Well, they can definitely use Dragon Claw on the raid boss. It would be hard to defeat as Sceptile's low stamina will get increased and with its high Atk stat, it will do a lot of damage. And Dragon Claw can do a good amount of neutral damage.

Why would I ever downgrade my sceptile duo to solarbeam? Leaf blade is way better for sceptile because your never gonna get 2 SB offs, while mine now gets 4-5 off against kyorge.

If we are talking about a move reshuffle ground and rock definetely needs some buff
another rock fast move, It's rock throw or nothing atm
Fossils like aerodactyl getting access to rock slide
Ground charge moves either getting shorter cooldown or higher power
Groudon deals more damage with Solarbeam than Earthquake even without stab. Something is wrong

Rhydon Surf > Drill Run
Surf could have been a community gag but as permanent, It's kinda pointless
(drill run was rhydon's signature move on pokemon conquest)

Aggron - why thunder anyways, doesn't even cover for ground or fighting weakness like poison move on swampert(which is another tm trap, but at least somehow usable for defense) maybe
> Iron head

Manectric - flame burst (Really?) at least give him >Discharge for namesake "discharge pokemon" than some egg move only given to unevolved ones

Armaldo - other than fury cutter everything else is a sad joke
as with other fossils he also deserves smackdown rock slide
X-scizzor would at least make him compete pinsir if not scizzor(resisting psychic)

Salamance will be a dex entry to me, not going to waste tms to go through fire blast and hydro pump. And Rayquaza is near. I would like to see him getting flying moves for his longing to soar the sky but only >Aerial Ace and fly in his movepool. So at least give him that

Metagross - Confusion and Metal claw
other than flash cannon and psychic his movepool only offers gyroball, psyshock and meteor mash

Generally gen3 pokemon's movepools are looking kinda diversed and lacking stab moves compared to gen1, some might say coverage but still feels like "tm trap" to me, Since defense meta consists of Blissey ,error 29 and raid boss. Besides there are lot of moves not implemented yet. Waterfall and Surf could be precedent for other HM moves, who knows?

Why Iron Head for Aggron when its strictly worse than Heavy Slam?

just chose one on the spot, not that it's going to be better, but at least reasonable for also visual reasons and his dex entry mentions his horns many times. I could settle for an inferior stab move rather than irrelevant type move which won't even cover for double weaknesses.
Aggron is still kind of useful for gym attacking (at least in suburban areas, and pink gyms are near :D) if speed is not an issue, only fearing yet another bad move earthquake

Another steel move wouldn't be totally pointless since it would guarantee STAB charge move with a single TM I guess. I looked at his original movepool and Ice Beam and Surf actually stand out as potentially interesting since they cover for his ground weakness. Sadly nothing to punish fighting types.

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