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How do WB Groudon/Kyogre compare to Level 30s?

Is a WB Groudon/Kyogre at Level 25 comparable to or better than what they dethroned? Specifically, Double Ground Rhydon and double water Gyarados at level 30? You may assume similar or equal IVs for both.

Pokebox is out of space so would appreciate if someone could run a sim for me for a relevant battle (e.g. L25Kyogre/L30Gary vs Fireblast Groudon or L25Groudon/L30 Rhydon vs Raikou)

Or if you know from experience too you can share as well, thanks!

Asked by Lecafe887 years 2 months ago

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A lvl 25 kyogre is about the same as a lvl 30 Gary. Here are the results against 9tales. The first Gary is at 31 and the second at 29.

Thanks for the information - dang this is broken! All my level 30 garys are only just as good as a WB kyogre any scrub can catch with a nanab straight ball :(

I read on TSR that perfect Kyogre at level 27 is as good as perfect Gyarados at level 40 but haven't done the math myself.
Difference between Groudon and Rhydon is also pretty huge, safe to assume level 30 Groudon is better than level 40 Rhydon.

Thanks, but I was more looking for a comparison between a direct wild catch level 25 Groudon/Kyogre vs the counterparts they dethroned.

The CP has already been eclipsed- my 96% Rhydon level 30 is at 2805 while any WB Groudon can net you at least 282X, while 90% Garys get to about 278X at level 30 and again kyogre gets to 282X. Now I'm not sure how the CP difference translates into performance but as the above poster pointed out a L25 legend vs a L30 'previous best' seems to be quite close.

I did some calculations out of curiosity and weatherboosted Kyogre has attack (and thus DPS) equal to level 35 Gary and TDO (attack*tankiness) about on the level of a level 32 Gary. Definitely approximate them to level 33-34 Gary rather than level 30. Kyogre is busted.

So you could actually solo Ninetales with WB Kyogre without powering? Since GP says Garys as low as 34 level can do it. Let me give that a shot in the sims

A level 34 Gyarados' Watefall does 17 damage, as same as a level 25 Kyogre. Both aren't weather boosted, a level 25 Kyogre can barely solo a Ninetales with a bit of luck, assuming 177 seconds timer.

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