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Kyogre question

I'm having bad luck with catching Kyogres. 2304, 2305, and 2322 have ran from me, and with work, I don't get much time to raid on weekdays. My highest right now is 2293, and it has 12/14/14 IVs. I will keep looking for a better one, but I'm really frustrated and dunno if I'll get a better one. Is the 2293 worth powering up for Rayquaza (if it's the next legendary) with Blizzard? How much difference does it make in terms of damage?

Asked by legolas.vin917 years 3 months ago
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Kyogre isn't exactly a Rayquaza Counter. Pokébattler lists 14 mons before it. Even Aggron, Tyranitar and Dragon Gyarados outperform it.

You probably have Golems, Gardevoir, Dragon Gyarados or Ice Beam Feraligator. Not to mention some Ice types. They are all better.

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Not even with its high attack stat and Blizzard being double effective? That's weird.

But even if not for Rayquaza, would 12 attack be good enough for raids which require a water attacker with Hydro Pump?

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Kyogre leaves behind the best water attacker at level 26 or so. 12 attack is certainly not the best, but still very strong.

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Kyogre had Dragon Tail as a fast move pre release. That would have made it the best Rayquaza counter. Now your only option is Waterfall, which has low energy generation and is resisted, meaning you're mostly using a NVE fast move and only firing a Blizzard every now and then.

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Blizzard being double super effective is kind of negated by Waterfall being resisted and having low energy gain.

So even though Blizzard hits hard especially with Kyogre's high attack stat it doesn't hit often enough to make up for Waterfall being a terrible move in this matchup to make Kyogre out-DPS conventional counters like ice-types or Dragonite.

As for powering up the Kyogre if you don't find a better one, it's going to be the best water type attacker or at least second best (if Palkia gets good moves) for pretty much forever unless it's moves get heavily nerfed and new overpowered water moves are added to other Pokemon.

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At least you will have the best water attacker in the game. You know, even with 0 IV attack stat, he will still outperforms Vaporeon. Let me explain, Vaporeon with 15 IV atk stat is 205+15= 220. A 0 IV atk Kyogre is 270. Your Kyogre will have 282 atk stat.

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For a mon with incredibly high stats to begin with, like Kyogre, Mewtwo, Groudon, fussing about the IV is more about collector value than it really has anything to do with battle performance. A perfect, or 9X% one is rarer and more valuable than one with so-so IV.

Kyogre's total attack stat is going to range from, 285-290. Sure, 290 is better, and maybe something would round in your favor, once in a while, but in either case, for non-raid boss mon that are appropriate to attack with water, that still means: WF, WF...WF, HP, fainted, if you even get to the HP part. For raid bosses, you'll get off a couple squirts to take a reasonably good sized bite out of the boss, faint, and try to do the same with the next mon. In most cases you'd have difficulty perceiving a difference between the performance of a 10/10/10 Kyogre versus a 15/15/15 one. If one fainted a little faster, it is more likely a difference in timing of the raid boss's attacks, than a difference caused by the different IV.

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