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Does Metagross really outclass scizor as a steel type?

Seriously flash cannon is terrible, I have to believe it's worse than heavy slam and iron head and psychic is terrible too. And please don't talk about earthquake. So stat wise it does outclass scizor, but the moves?

I don't know that it's because the pokemon that learn flash cannon are terrible or the move itself is bad, but still.

Asked by Mr-ex7777 years 3 months ago
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Flash Cannon and Psychic are both extremely mediocre and very similar to each other. Not terrible, that word is reserved for moves like Psybeam that are actually bad.

Metagross does outclass Scizor easily. The stats are just enormously better and Iron Head isn't much better than Flash Cannon either. Heavy Slam would be an actually good move but Metagross can't learn that move in the main games despite being one of the heaviest pokemon.

EDIT: To further my argument:
Metagross hp 160 atk 257 def 247 tankiness 199
Scizor hp 140 atk 236 def 191 tankiness 164
Metagross has 9% more base attack and 21% more base tankiness. Without taking stats into account, BP/IH has 16,89 cycle DPS, BP/FC has 16,75. Scizor's moveset is 0,8% better in just pure damage output, minuscule difference.

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So why is Psybeam rated higher on Espeon? Psybeam is actually arguably superior to Psychic. And Psybeam is about the same as Water Pulse. In the end, even Water Pulse is slightly superior to Psychic.

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Psybeam has lower weave DPS and results in worse time to win in simulations, I have no idea why GP has rated it higher than Psychic. Water Pulse is also a horrible move, that shouldn't be news to anyone.

EDIT: Psybeam isn't even rated higher than Psychic, what are you talking about?

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I'm pretty sure it wasn't before gen 3 either. Psychic has always been better than Psybeam, to the point that some people recommend TMing Psybeam Espeons because it's a guaranteed improvement.

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Flash Cannon is bad, Psychic is terrible. However, STAB prevents them from being completely useless. Bullet Punch is fairly good, but far from perfect. Zen Headbutt is OK, but it is clearly outclassed by Extrasensory. Metagross has bad moves, so it won't be as useful. The only thing Metagross isn't outclassed is a Muk (obviously not Dark Pulse) killer.

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Flash Cannon is 0.1 seconds faster than Psychic. That is not a difference of one being just bad and the other one being terrible. They are almost the exact same move.

Which pokemon in your opinion outclasses Metagross as a bulky psychic attacker or as a fairy killer?

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I have to say I forgot Lugia (which is funny since I've maxed one) but it's not exactly known for its DPS. Metagross is somewhere in between Espeon and Lugia, DPS much better than Lugia, bulk much better than Espeon. I agree that steel is its main niche, but it could have uses with the psychic moveset too.

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