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Is this team good enough to solo Scyther?

Flareon 2498 CP: Ember/Overheat
Flareon 2467 CP: Ember/Overheat
Ho-Oh 2890 CP: Extrasensory/Fire Blast
Entei 2052 CP: Fire Fang/Fire Blast
Jolteon 1913 CP: Thunder Shock/Thunder
Houndoom 1725 CP: Fire Fang/Fire Blast

Asked by Yellow_Sponge7 years 7 months ago
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Don't you have any Golems/Sudowoodos/Omastars with RT/RB or RT/RS or RT/SE?

Fire Blast, Thunder and Ember are the moves that should be TMed ASAP, they are actually strictly inferior to other moves.

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I have 1 golem but he only has a rock quick move and a ground quick move FYI. So tell me, why waste TMs if moves such as fire blast are simply "inferior" to other moves? It's not like every player can stack up on TMs.

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What 333-blue means is that cycle dps wise those moves are strictly inferior to other move options those pokemon have. You do not waste TMs by TMing those moves. Their might however be better options for your TMs.

That being said, if your Golem already has a Rock quick move and a ground charge move, CTMing your Golem would strictly improve your squad to solo Scyther.

Not every player can stack up on TMs but every player can use the ones they have wisely, charge TMing a RT/E Golem to RT/RB or RT/SE is in my opinion a wise move.

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Ok, you make a good point but Scyther isn't worth giving a Golem a charge TM over because there're better pokemon than Golem. Even though he is good in his role, pokemon such as Vapereon have such terrible alternative charge moves to hydro pump, he would need them more. Not for this particular situation but Vapereon is a great pokemon with the current gym defenders and raid bosses. Golem is only good for very particular situations such as bug, flying, fire but water is good against fire, ground, rock, and Vapereon can give great DPS against many pokemon such as Snorlax.

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i don't get where you are going with this. some of the pokes you named are better with one move of a type over another of same but both work so TM is low priority. golems are currently best rock type and there are far better ground types so it's foolish to insist it's not worth giving it a TM.

see which poke the game auto-selects vs common defenders such as snorlax or blissey as well, vape or golem.

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AT on Vape is a good move.
Making your Golem into dbl rock moves is a solid option...no matter the charge move.

I would sooner CTM an EQ Golem before an AT Vape....anyday

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Scyther is a really weak raidboss due to being double weak to rock. If you want to solo Scyther, the fastest way to do this is by aquiring rock attackers. They need the fewest powerups and dont need to have that good IV's. 4 level 30 double rock golems would already beat Scyther (any moveset) with no dodging and ~30sec+ to spare.

Try seeing it this way, one TM or 124 Geodude candy+ a high level Geodude for a chance at having a double rock Golem.

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Yeah you guys make a good point. But what if I already soloed Scyther because I have today! With that exact line up! I will definitely get double rock golems. Thanks for the help.

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Golem is currently the best pure Rock attacker. While Ttar blows golem out of the water, Ttar lacks a quick rock attack. And when it comes to taking down Moltres, Zapdos, Entei, or Ho-Oh, Golem is probably the top dog.

My Scyther squad begins and ends with 4 Golems between levels 31 and 35. The fourth one never faints, even if Scyther is weather buffed with both attacks. Scyther's double weakness to rock makes this raid trivial for me to solo. The only thing I can think of that's easier is taking on a Magneton with Zap cannon with a strong Rhydon - I can do that without fainting at all, with a few dodges.

Further, my attitude about CTMs is that they are for mon with two good charged moves and one bad one, like Ttar's set of Stone Edge, Crunch, and Fire Blast. You get Fire Blast, you CTM it and take what you get. I don't have enough CTMs to play the roulette game and keep flopping back and forth. If you CTM a ground move on golem, you either get rock or rock, both work. One and done.

Of course, it's up to you, but Rock is the way to go after Scyther, unless you want to make it harder than it has to be.

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Why are you talking about Vaporeon as a great pokemon when we have Gyarados? For that matter, Vaporeon's neutral DPS is not and has never been particularly great because its attack stat isn't that good.

As far as CTM effectiveness goes, WP Vaporeon and EQ Golem are pretty similar in that 1 CTM is guaranteed to give a large DPS boost. AT Vaporeon is almost as good as HP for attacking.

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by Peach 7 years 7 months ago

More then enuf

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by Peach 7 years 7 months ago

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by daltry 7 years 7 months ago

You want double rock Golems.

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Probably. Scyther sux

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No, I don't think this team is good enough. Your Flareons should give you a good head start, but the rest of your team is underwhelming. Scyther is a fairly weak boss, but that's mainly because of its double weakness to rock.

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Scyther has an utterly pitiful base defense stat of 135. It's weak. The double rock weakness is just icing on the cake that lets people solo it with a full minute remaining. There are many, many L30 non-rock attackers that can be part of a successful raid team. Even Manectric has sufficient DPS.

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We are not talking about Manectric or any of the other L30 non-rock attackers you are referring to. We are talking about this guy's lineup that includes a L25 Ho-Oh with a neutral damage quick move, a ~L22 Entei with fire blast, a L24-25 Jolteon with thunder, and a ~L24 Houndoom.

BTW, Scyther's "pitiful" defense stat is higher than Porygon's, Gengar's, or Machamp's, among current T3 bosses, plus Arcanine's, and it is only slightly worse than Vaporeon's.

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by format 7 years 7 months ago

it's a very easy boss but as others have said you want some double rock golems - so far that's been one of the most useful 'mons to have and power up for raids (plus rhydon and groudon do earth better) so i'd recommend TM use and evolving/powering up those.

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You need rock mon. Rock moves will have double extra damage to Scyther.

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Easily good enough for DPS but you might need to dodge to survive through it. Ho-Oh should be at the last spot because it has the worst DPS. Other than that, Houndoom is the worst mon and doesn't come with the advantage of tankiness that Ho-Oh provides, so should be the first mon to go in favor of a replacement. Any rock attacker at all will do much better, as will Blaziken, Charizard, Arcanine, Jynx or Manectric.

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Times to win against Scyther with "unknown moveset":

L21.5 Entei FF/FB 100% CP 2074: 198.0 seconds
L24.5 Jolteon TS/TB 100% CP 1911: 202.3 seconds
L24 Houndoom FF/FB 100% CP 1734: 209.2 seconds

And the Ho-Oh is far worse than any of the above.

So no, this lineup is NOT "easily good enough for DPS." And those times are with no dodging. The times to win are worse in all dodging scenarios.

The OP claims he did it with this lineup, but I am skeptical.

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