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Non-Eggy team for soloing Omastar

Does a team like below work?

1. Shiftry A15/L35 Razor Leaf/Leaf Blade
2. Sceptile A15/L36 Razor Leaf/Leaf Blade
3. Venusaur A14/L30 Vine Whip/Solar Beam
4. Victrebeel A14/L35.5 Razor Leaf/Solar Beam
5. Vileplume A14/L34 Razor Leaf/Petal Blizzard
6. Groudon A12/L30 Mud Shot/Solar Beam

I have a few good Eggies that can do the job but simply want to try something differently. If the list above works, what would be the best lineup? Tks.

Asked by donguding7 years 7 months ago
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I think you should be able to do it. I'd maybe line them up like this:

1. Venusaur
2. Victreebel
3. Groudon
4. Sceptile
5. Shiftry
6. Vileplume

I doubt if you'll even get to the Vileplume, which is the weakest team member IMO. My daughter used a SoB Groudon against Omastar the other day, and it survived long enough to launch four solar beams.

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Even my team with 3 BS/SoB, 1 BS/SeB, 1 C/SoB Eggs, 1 RL/SoB Venusaur, doesn't work. I'm not sure what to say.

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I did once with three L35 BS/SoB + one L30 BS/SeB Eggs but it was by no means an easy task.

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If those mons are all at least level 30, the only plausible explanation for failing is that you are dodging too much. I've succeeded every time with a weaker team than that (3 BS/SoB Eggs, 2 Victreebels, one Venusaur or Vileplume, all level 30 or 31 except for one of the Eggs at level 35).

Against rock blast, you don't need to dodge at all. It is difficult, and hurts DPS, and rock blast doesn't do very much damage anyway. And taking the hit is offset by faster energy gain, which will further help DPS.

It can be helpful to dodge hydro pump a couple of times, but only if you can consistently anticipate it and dodge it quickly, which isn't easy to do. If you have to spam dodge because you think a hydro pump is about due, you will lose too much DPS. You should be able to ignore hydro pump and still survive long enough to knock out the Omastar boss.

Ancient power needs to be dodged, but 3-4 times total should be enough. It's very tempting to want to dodge every ancient power because it is so easy, but again, you need to deliver DPS more than you need to avoid damage. Also, it is not critical that every mon launch two solar beams.

The C/SoB Egg is a weakness, but it shouldn't be enough to prevent you from succeeding. People seem to think that C/SoB should be almost as good as BS/SoB against Omastar. It's not; C/SoB is much worse than BS/SoB or BS/SeB. BS effectively does double damage (1.96x) and builds energy faster, while confusion does only neutral (1.00x) damage. But with your lineup, putting the C/SoB last, the first five should be enough to almost finish the job. The first time I soloed Omastar (pictured), I won with just over 20 seconds left, and I dodged zero rock blasts.

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That should work even against Ancient Power I think.

I did a rock-boosted Water Gun + Rock Blast Omastar with 4 seconds remaining, using much worse lineup - 3 level 30 Exeggutors (2 B/So 1 E/So), a level 27 Vileplume (RL/PB) and 2 level 30 Machamps (C/DP).

You've got 5 grasses and Groudon who is on par with grass attackers even vs Water Gun + Hydro Pump so it shouldn't be too difficult.

Start with Victreebel over Groudon or Venusaur as it is less tanky of the 3, because it will start when the boss has no energy, whereas if it swaps in after a Pokemon faints, the boss might have enough energy to use a charge move as soon as it swaps in and the Victreebel might not be able to get off a Solar Beam.

I think leading with the Pokemon that have Solar Beam, then the Vileplume and then finishing with the Leaf Blades is optimal, as Leaf Blade's low energy requirement helps during the last seconds of a raid where you might not have enough time to use a 1-bar move.

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Tks for the reply. This brings me to another question: can a non-grass type team consists of multiple machamps + groudons solo an omastar ?

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i'd have to say almost certainly not on that front - be happy to be proved wrong but you'd have to have multiple groundons with solar at 30+ as i doubt the machamps will be much use.

i've only beat a wg/hp oma with a quite poor grass team - all lv.30-32 2x grass eggs, venusaur, vileplume and victreebell (and a dragonite on the end that didn't get used) and that was skin of my teeth and several attempts learning which hydropumps to dodge and which to soak for faster solarbeams. i'd not use that against any rock moves and expect success but if you have higher level grass but for some reason no eggs i'm sure it's still doable

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Without a weather boost, I think not. With one, definitely. I soloed Omastar with lv30 Venusaur, lv29&30 Machamps and a lv34 Hariyama in cloudy weather.

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