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TM system needs an overhaul

Sorry, this is more of a vent than question but I used all 12 of my Charge TMs on my 100% Gary to get hydro pump and did not get it. Is it me or is that one area that Niantic needs to fix with the rarity of their TM disbursement process? At best, you should be able to pick the move. At worst, they should not repeat until each move has funneled through. Thoughts?

Asked by husky957 years 4 months ago

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Plus they should give legacy moves.

Note: I guess some selfish people doesnt agree but i started after gen2 so i didnt have the chance to get a db dragonite or a rt omastar. I think thats not fair.

YOUR IDEOLOGY OF "fair" KILLED OUR OLD GYM SYSTEM AND THREW US IN THIS STARDUST AND COIN DROUGHT!!!!

The old gym system was garbage. Not saying the new one is any better but there was nothing to defend about the old one. Blissey towers were not challenging; just boring, stalling, bad design that favored spoofers.

I don't know why you get downvoted but i agree with you. The new gyms were easier but much more annoying due to gold razz feeders. But the old ones, especially towers with 10 blisseys, are literally unplayable and a genuinely bad game design.

All that had to be done to avoid blissey towers was have the one-type-per-gym restriction like they do now. They didn’t need to overhaul the entire gym system to accomplish that.

Two other tweaks that would have made a huge improvement:
-require taking gym down 10,000 prestige points to take bottom mon out instead of just 1000 to thwart shaving;
-lockout snipers during prestiging friendly gyms (like they eventually did for taking over enemy gyms).

Those three changes would have made the old system pretty dang good.

No sorry I get more coins now, before it was impossible to get more than 20 coins and 1k dust at a push, but that took hours for me trying to get that, now 50 is easy, also the berry feeding has got me so much stardust that I get more also streaks have given us 700 a day so stop complaining

I played from day 1 and don't have a DB Dragonite or a RT Omastar. Neither of them is in any way crucial or necessary so I don't get why you want the ability to TM into them. RT Omastar is just another Golem in most situations, which means it's not meta relevant for a foreseeable future right now, and DB Dragonite tends to lose to DT Dragonite in DPS.

For real, or exaggerated? 12 CTM? In all one sitting?

It's been well known here that, after 2/3/4 CTM tries without success, you stop, restart the app, and wait minutes/hours to "reset" any RNG seeds of your particular app session. Then, re-try.

Feel sorry for you, if real.

Well known? It's just an unproved theory. In the same category as nanab GR nanab to catch a legendary.
It is highly unlikely that the RNG seed is minutes or hours, even seconds. If it is time related at all it will be ms.

Oh boy! Run 4 then should wait for a different time of the day to run more!

Did you really use 12 charge TMs? The chances on a failure should be less than 1%.

P(Success) = 1 - (2/3)^12 = 0.99229265337

Correct me if I'm wrong

Isn't it 1 - (1/2)^12 = 99.976% instead of 1 - (2/3)^12 ?
Because for each roll, you only get 1 from 2 possible outcomes.

You're right! I forgot the obvious case that the current charge attack isn't listed as an option after a re-roll. It's been a while for me ?

Either way, it's a very, very low probability to fail 12 times consecutively...
To think the number of raids needed to save up 12 CTMs...

I believe it I used 21 Charged TMs to get Shadow Ball on my Mewtwo

You got to be kidding me?

P(Shadow Ball) = 1 - (2/3)^21 = 0.99979951422

Because Mewtwo has the option out of 3 different charge moves after each roll.

They should honestly let you pick your moves. These TM's are rare and even though I have a bunch saved, I realize that many players don't play as much as I do and therefore have a more difficult time getting TM's. If you really did use 12 charged TM's to get hydro pump, then that is crazy.

Let's not make it more easy than it already is please.

they should make it like the evolution items system. turn every move available in a tm item that you could win by spinning pokestops, and on the seven day streak you win one for sure.

The game is too easy already, TM should be rarer, i don't wanna be that hardcore cold guy, but you don't need a hydropump gyarados, you dont need nothing to succed in this game, what you are doing is matching colors on your gyarados page.

They should make them rarer but have logic that cycles through the moves. It is the randomness that makes them so frustrating now. Sometimes it takes 1; sometimes it takes 12.

I’m sitting on 31 FTMs and 32 CTMs now. I hate using CTMs due to stories like the OP. I used 5 on my Alakazam to get Future Sight, but have otherwise been fairly successful using them.

They should be pseudo random so that after a certain amount of tries on the same pokemon hitting only two moves, say two or three tries, the probability for the move that hasn't appeared yet starts going up.

But everything in this game is random. The moves you get on evolution? Random. The IVs of the raid boss you’re about to catch? Random. The egg color you get from a stop (if any at all)? Random. Why would Charge TM usage be any different from Niantic’s point of view? Note that I’m not advocating for all RNG all the time because I’ve been screwed by it a lot. But that’s pretty much the entire game.

Until Niantic changes how Charge TMs work (who knows when that'll happen), unless you're swimming with CTMs, watch your usage. For that must-die-for-move, I'd set a hard limit and at least don't go to zero CTMs.

I've only used it on the worse move for any given Pokemon i.e. HB on a Dragonite, FB on a Tyranitar, or HS on a Machamp and have generally done OK.

As others have said, the whole game is RNG. I slowly gathered over the months several high level/IV Eevees, and wanted another Vaporeon. Well I got 4 Jolteons, and 4 Flareons - and no Vape. Time to save up again.

Is Vape that good even with much lower attack?

It often ends up with higher TDO than Gyarados. Also depending on biome, it may be hard to collect a full party of 6 Gyarados and Vaporeon is still the #2 water DPS for now.