I just evolved my Perfect karp Lvl 20 + Perfect Geodude Lvl20 hoping to land a Hydro Pump (in case it becomes a legacy) and Stone Edge respectively. I got a Dragon Tail/Outrage and Rock Throw/Rock Blast combo instead.
I will like to see if Gyrados with DT/Outrage has any good use in the current metagame or i take a chance to Charge TM outrage to obtain Hydro Pump. I already have 100% IV Dragonite Lvl 30 and Kingdra Lvl 28 with the same movesets.
As for Rock Throw/Rock Blast, i've been reading that Stone Edge is better suited for longer battles/solo Raid 3.....which is why i've been considering using another one of my charge TMs to take a chance for Stone Edge.
Would appreciate if anyone can share on this? I'm trying to prep myself for Gen 3 arrival
Thank you
Yes TM both if u have the TMs to do so. I don't see double dragon gyarados as that useful going forward because vs dragon, ice or dragonite (soon salamance too) will be much better.
And definitely get a SE golem while you can and be safe. It's his best charge move and very useful vs a lot of legendary Pokémon. Would not be surprised if many returned kuz I don't see gen 3 legendaries coming anytime soon.
I wouldn't say it's better than RB for sure. SE might not have the time to fire even once against Solar Beam Ho-Oh. I know, I've tried, and 2/3rds of my SE Golems did not fire a single charge move before getting KO'd. Meanwhile the RB golems each got at least 2 off, meaning their DPS was much better.
Thanks for the quick responses. I have about 18 fast tms and 19 charge tms.....originally save them for Mewtwo if i ever receive the ExRaid invite.
I also have a Perfect Wigglytuff Lvl 26 with Pound/Play Rough but without a Fairy quick move, this moveset isn't as efficient as i hope to take down D9s quickly as compared to ice movesets....if NN ever introduce a Fairy quick move, she will have use against opponents weak to fairy.
I wouldn't change either one of them.
DT/O Gyarados has the advantage of being super effective against Dragonite, without being weak to dragon moves, and it has a high attack stat. It is useful against Dragonites in gyms, and if Dragonite ever becomes a raid boss, it will be a useful member of your team. I have two DT/O Gyaradoses (out of twelve), and I am quite happy with them.
As for rock blast, it is a good move - slightly lower DPS than stone edge, but more flexible. My best Golem (lvl 33, 98% IV's) has RB, and I'm going to keep it that way, although I do also have three SE Golems.
Pokebattler simulations for Dragonite raid boss has DT/O Gyarados as only the 42nd best mon/moveset combo. Sneasel has 3 moveset combos with better time to win. Bite/Ice Beam Feraligatr has better time to win and comparable survivability. Every Dragonite moveset other than SW and HB/DP/H outperforms DT/O Gyarados.
TL;DR Charge TM on Gary.
I'm not enough of a Pokebattler expert to find that particular analysis, but doing a general raid analysis, both with my own 50-mon pokebox and all possible level 30 attackers, the Gyarados fares a lot better. It is ridiculous to compare "time to win" for Sneasel, who dies 42 times against "unknown moveset" before winning, with Gyarados, who dies 21 times (based on level 30 mons). Feraligatr performs better against some movesets, and worse against others, but it is certainly in the mix if you happen to have an ice beam Feraligatr at your disposal. Against "unknown moveset," Feraligatr is only 6% faster, with 10% worse survivability, so you're clearly not being objective.
If you have six DT or DB Dragonites, then yes, I'd generally rather use them in a Dragonite raid over the Gyarados.
What job are you going to use your post-TM hydro pump or crunch Gyarados for, that there aren't a whole bunch of mons that could do the same job better?
I'm almost inclined to think you are dondon, writing under a fake/different name. If you start telling people that P/HB Blissey is the best attacker in the game, I'll really start to get suspicious.
TL;DR That's your opinion, and it's based on dubious data interpretation that cherrypicks the variables you want to emphasize. You go ahead and load up your Dragonite raid team with Sneasels, and I'll keep my DT/O Gyaradoses to team up with my Dragonites and ice-type attackers.
