I've always really wanted to power up a kabutops with stone edge and try him against a lapras. I believe he might be the best lapras counter, since he would be super effective while lapras would be less effective. I don't think he would be as good against snorlax or vaporeon. Against vaporeon, he actually would have neutral resistance due to also being a rock type.
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Why is Kabutops bad?
Hey guys, help me understand this: Why is Kabutops bad?
Isn't Stone Edge + STAB an excellent move? It has a 50% crit hit rate, no? I feel like it's one of the best moves in the game for this reason. Especially for ripping into both Lapras and Dragonite.
And isn't Rock/Water typing pretty good also? Considering having a resistance to Snorlax's normal attacks, to Vaporeon's water, and to Lapras's ice...
I am tempted to believe he might actually be good. But please, help me figure this out so I can use my Stardust effectively. Thanks! :)
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First, I think Crit chance still isn't in the game. So there goes that point.
He's probably a good Lapras counter, but doesn't have a rock quick attack, right? Omastar (legacy) was the best with a rock quick attack and the same charge move. It could be usable. Omastar is just a better Kabutops though, right?
No because charge move DPS in a vacuum means nothing, because you cannot use purely charge moves in combat, you need to use quick moves, so your overall DPS would be a weighted average of the two.
Quick moves make up most of your damage so it's more important having a good quick move than a good charge move. Hence why it's important to have STAB on quick moves. It's like being super effective against everything.
If you have a bad charge move you can simply not use it e.g. Alakazam with Psycho Cut + Dazzling Gleam or Shadow Ball.
If you have a bad quick move, you need to use it to gain energy to use a charge move and even if your charge move has good damage, your average DPS is lowered because your quick move sucks
e.g. Machamp with Karate Chop + Cross Chop
Although Cross Chop is also bad because it's the lowest damage full bar charge move, so it doesn't increase your overall DPS as much as a higher damage charge move that has slightly lower DPS, but people just like circlejerking that it has the highest DPS in a vacuum.
Its not a bad mon and unlike Gollem and Rhydon it has resistance to water. Of the Rock/water types I feel like Omastar is better since it can get WGHP and MSHP vs MSSE and FCSE for Kabu. Both are excellent prestigeing mons against fire/rock movesets. I would not power either of them up but rather try to evolve ones around 1000-1300 cp. Neither of these mons get very big and both are significantly smaller than similarly typed mons with the same movesets so they dont make great defenders.
There is no crit chance. Rock typing cancels out its water so it ends up being neutral to water attacks, not resistant.
STAB Stome Edge is a good move the problem is that most of your damage comes from quick moves and neither of Kabutops are that good since they lack STAB.
Also lacks HP, so it's not good on defence and it's not that great on offence. It's not unusable by any means but if it's only got high attack going for it, it had better be one of the best DPSers in the game to make up for its low HP e.g Alakazam, or have a niche use, which it doesn't. Omastar has the same typing, but it has a better moveset, so the types that Kabutops can exploit, Omastar can do it better. Namely fire types. Water Gun > Mud Shot and Hydro Pump > Stone Edge.
Who said Kabutops was bad? I'm confused about your title and first line. He's not.
Personally, I think you're onto something. There's a case to be made that Kabutops > Omastar vs. Lapras. Mud Shot is a great move on offense and you'll be able to squeeze in 4-5 quick attacks between dodges and charge up that Stone Edge quickly.
Most of your DPS in this case (and in Omastar's case) will come from the charge move. Stone Edge vs. Rock Slide is a tough comparison. On one hand, Stone Edge does 80 dmg. vs. 50 for Rock Slide with almost the same exact cooldown. On the other hand, Rock Slide only takes 1/3 of the bar, meaning you can pretty much use it any time you want rather than waiting. But this might mean tanking more attacks.
All in all, I'd say it would be interesting to see the two put in a side-by-side comparison.
(Don't listen to the people ranking Omastar based on a move you could only get for 2 weeks that maybe they were lucky enough to roll - legacy moves should have no consideration on a Pokemon's current overall rank. Rather, they should be ranked in two places, one legacy and one current)
