First, I would move Alakazam & Gengar each down 1 tier and change the explanation. Instead of Listing them at thier Max tier with the Note Move them down 2 tiers if you don't dodge. I'd list them down 1 tier with the note: this is assuming you dodge Big Moves, but not Quick Moves. You can move these pokemon up a tier if you dodge everything, or down a tier if you dodge nothing. It's a more realistic list to place them in the middle of the Range than at the top of the Range
Second: I would take the Commonness of Vapereon into account more. There shouldn't be a Water Pokemon in Tier2. Vap is too common for this. Omastar/Gyrados are fine because thier dual type provides some matchups where they beat Vaperon.
Slowbro with WGun/Psychic is something I cant for the life of me see myself using.
I'd move Rhydon down 1/2 a tier. The Quick Move charges slow and isn't ideal for dodging. No pokemon with a "15 Quick Move" should be in T1
I'd move 1 Fire Type and Jolteon up to tier2. Considering the number of Waters/Gyrados in particular I see in Gyms, my Jolteons are some of my most use. Yes the plants do better against Vaperon than Jolteon does, but not against Slowbro/Dragonite
I would get rid of Pound/Pyschock Jynx from that list. I can't think of a single matchup where if I am going for Pychic Damage vs say Muk where I would take that Jynx over a double pyscic Hypno/Slowbro
I can see using the Double Ice
If you are going to have more than 1 Pokemon in Half Tier mark like Tier1.5 get rid of the Half Tier Level.
Tier1,2,3,4
accomplishes and is neater than 1,1.5,2,3
I have a similar Tier list than yours:
Tier 1: Snorlax, Vaporeon, Dragonite
Tier 1.5: Rhydon, Lapras
(Tier 1 or Tier 1.5 is Metagame dependant)
Tier 2: Gyarados, Exeggcutor, Arcanine, Golem, Omastar, Muk.
Tier 3: Venusaur, Flareon-Charizard, Slowbro-Blastoise-Polywrath, Tentacruel, Cloyster, Alakazam, Nidoqueen, Sandslash, Jolteon, Machamp
Been using jolteon a lot since cp change, it has a lot of favorable matchups in gyms. If dodging and potion usage is taken into account like alakazam and gengar it shouldn't have a problem being bumped up. Vaporeons, gyarados, and dragonite fill my local gyms.
I'm sure I'm missing something though:)
First, I agree with simply renaming Tier 1, 2, 3, 4. And when I say move a pokemon up or down a tier, I am assuming as such.
Agree Alakazam and Gengar should be knocked down a tier or two because they require dodging and because there are not a lot of matchups where they gain any type advantages.
I don't see why the commonness of Vaporeon in some areas should affect the placement of other water pokemon with the same moveset on the list. It is a strong moveset and they are good pokemon and there are areas where Eevee is not as common. Also, Blastoise is the only other single type water pokemon on the list, and he might actually deserve to move down because of his CP nerf. Omastar as rock is more resitant to fire types; Starmie as Psychic gains a resistance to fighting (Rhydon) and Psychic (Snorlax).
Mostly agree Rhydon could be knocked down a tier because its moves make it hard to dodge, although it is also tanky enough that it can absorb a lot of damage. It is the closest thing to a counter for Snorlax, but is it used for attacking anything else? Maybe Dragonite if you have Stone Edge? Overall, it makes sense to move it to the same tier as Lapras, which is on the list mainly as a Dragonite counter.
Agree Arcanine should be moved up a tier or two and Jolteon could be moved up a tier. Arcanine was nerfed a bit with the CP update, but it is still a good attacker and Fire Fang+Fire Blast is a stronger moveset than Ember+Fire Blast.
Jynx's moveset should just be Frost Breath+Ice Punch. That is the only one of her movesets I have ever used more than once. I would actually consider placing Dewgong with Frost Breath+Blizzard right next to her with an asterisk. If you don't have a Lapras to attack with, Jynx is a good alternative to attacking a Dragonite, but you might want to use Dewgong if the Dragonite has Steel Wing and you are not good at dodging.
The list is not gonna work if you say some of high tier have to dodge most of the inc atk. The highest tier suppose to be the pokemon that you can use against most of pokemon even with no dodge not just some case. If you say you have to dodge to do high dmg I would say every pokemon is the same then.
I agree. It resists Zen Headbutt from Snorlax, making it a good matchup. It also has a lot of good matchups otherwise (coverage lets it beat opposing waters and psychics, including Lapras).
I can't think of a matchup where Slowbro is the best pick - but he can be picked into almost everything, he's flexible.
Sure if you get into Super Specifics. But it takes extra damage from a Lick Snorlax
Slowbro vs a Water/Lapras gets you a .5 edge. You resist both thier attacks, they resist your quick attack but not your main attack.
Meanwhile, an Electric gets your 1 full edge. While it doesnt resist, it does extra on both quick and charge.
A plant gets you 2 full edge on Waters (but not lapras) doing extra damage and resisting damage.
If anything, a Confusion Slowbro would preform better against Waters then a Water Gun Slowbro
I just can't see why I would invest Dust in powering up a Water Gun Slowbro.
I might use it to prestige a gym if I had one in right CP range and nothing better in right CP range.
But Dust...
