New gym is a failure
LEVEL 35 / collecting daily bonus and my daily coins since the beginning, never missed one day...
My experience since 3 weeks:
I was very positive the first days.
6 different pokes in a gym.
Finished the gyms with 10 blisseys >2800CP, and probably less spoofers or cheaters.
Finally something accessible for most active players, including trainers with a lower level.
The first day the gyms were filled in with tier 1 2 & 3 pokes, good balance between the different types, high CP, best move sets.
But the new system offers no reward to create a good team. It is even the opposite... The coins are delivered after being killed by another team.
So today nobody is killing the other, why should I battle to offer coins to my enemies ???
Most gyms are filled since 1 week with dragonites or blisseys with a black heart , stuck with 20%CP, waiting someone to kill them... And the lucky killed are replaced by stupid pidgeys and other garbage stuff with minimum CP, hoping to be killed for the daily 50 coins before sending to the professor for a candy...
I have created another account, an "enemy account", so I can kill myself daily, collect my 50 coins, and place another pidgey until the next day... and so on...
But it is so boring. Hope to see quickly some improvement... I almost miss the gyms with 10 >2800CP Blisseys...
Don't know if you have the same evolution in your area (I am living in the Philippines, in a regional city, and almost no active players, maybe 200 or 300 compare to the 10.000+ six months ago...)
The only good news, spoofers and other cheaters are gone here...
Answers
No worth ? Incubators = dust !!! to buy incubators you need coins! Many coins.
Before I got 5000 dust per day and 100 coins, every day since x-mas ! Gone !
Replaced by what ? No dust and 50 coins per day for my defeated Pokémons and 20 dusts per candy in a friendly gym. Today we need more dusts with the strong raid Pokémon at level 20. 65000 to go to lvl 30.
You seem to be choosing to place "winning" above having fun and then complaining that it's boring?
Just go out and battle some gyms and do some raids and get some TM's to boost your squad - I find that rewarding enough, no? Who cares if other teams are getting coins when you kick their mons out? They're not your actual "enemies", you know :-)
I also hate the new system so much. Sure, the old system was not perfect and all. BUT:
The real issues with the gym system were spoofers/botters with multiple accounts on the one hand and Bubblestrat on the other. It was Niantics task to recognise and eventually fix these kind of issues. Idk about point 1, but for point 2, it would have been possible, if u simply add a lvl 5 restriction for gym defenders. With the marking of spoofed mons, they have also shown, that it is possible for them to identify those people. Spoofers are not gone, it is still possible to spoof. I met a spoofer at a raid and he explained me, that it is impossible now to jump from Berlin to Tokio and back without a break of several days at least, but he was still able to annoy people all over my hometown. Anyway, spoofers simply don't appear in gyms as often as before, because they also don't care about that part of the game anymore too. Making the game not enjoyable for everyone, so also for spoofers, seems to be Niantics strategy to fight them.
I see the argument, that small people should have access to gyms too, but they also could have added more gyms around and limit players gyms to 12 or 15. Not to mention; that about half of all gym spots in my city were occupied by spoofers or people with multiple accs, so if they would have solved that, they would have also helped the lower lvls.
Now this whole system is just like a switch from capitalism to communism, everyone gets the same, regardless of the amount of work, ressources and grindin you spent. Didnt work out for the larger economy and it doesn't work out here either.
Personally I also addapted my playstyle to just dropping pidgeys in gyms, not caring about defensive moveset and typing anymore.
Your problem is someone else's answer to hold some gyms while wasting opponents potions/time/spirit. I have four 775-785 Chanseys, an army of 7 Wigglytuffs, 2 Clefables, etc when I get my 3 big Blisseys back (every 36 hours a gym ends up flipping), they are going instead. The animation and battle reset is so slow, after that it is pretty annoying to see only a gradual cp degrade
This is essentially what I said was going to happen months ago when people kept coming up with these crazy ideas of gym rework but no one listened.
I said, all defenders will become attackers and no one will battle gyms anymore.
I said multi account users will increase to create gym turn over.
An now I even go as far as saying spoofers are needed because rural gyms are now forgotten. Spoofers moved to major cities to do raids. trying to defend remote gyms are a thing of the past. I pourposely go around putting pidgeys and caterpies in gyms because I know they will bring home the bacon!
That's fun, entering gyms and feeding 250 pidgeys per day.
I think everyone agree dust is the most precious reward in this game.
Certainly now with raids, giving a very powerful Pokémon, but at level 20. We will need candies and dust. Candies are easy to obtain, and with a yellow berry we can double each catch. But dust ... 100 every catch. You need 650 catches to generate 65.000 dust. 1 Pokémon from level 20 to 30.
What else ? 20 per berry ... fun fun fun... and you need to live in a place with many gyms to perform 250 feeding per day. In my place impossible, or I will walk 100km per days.
What else ? EGGS ! Yes ! And each egg gives a lot of dust ! And the new gym system + raids invite the trainer to walk more than before. More hatching !!, But to hatch you need incubators and they are not for free. With 50 coins per day , it takes 3 days to buy an incubator. More revenues for Niantic...
What else ? Daily bonus ... 600 per day and 3000 the last day of the week. 6600 per week , it takes more than 2 months to evolve 1 raid Pokémon from lvl 20 to 30...
With the raid gift (powerful Pokémon at level 20) and the reduction 100 coins to 50 coins per day, Niantic has created a new system to increase revenues (incubators) . Period.
They really should of kept the old gyms but with changes like only 1 Pokémon type in gym and should of changed so first in last out system instead of max cp last to fight. Don't get me wrong I am glad it's got rid of spoofers but just don't like new gym.
Read someone else's post about an attacking gym reward that would work
