WHINERS!!!

I have done 2 raids. I have a Muk and a Crockonaw.

I think there are serious problems. I have zero Larvitar. Not one. Never even seen one. But by this weekened I might have 2 Tyranitar.

Isn't it FUNNY how all these complaints are coming from Trainers who have fought in numerous raids? Those in big city areas? Those who have fought in 30 raids, or many more than 50 for some, and have taken advantage to go catch all those rare mon????

I could whine too, because it is way to easy to get great pokemon and good movesets now.
I live in a village near a 60.000 citicen-town and i have done 4 raids until now.
Got 2 Tyranitar and 1 Snorlax. I got 4 TMs.

It now is way too easy.

Now the only relevant ressources are dust and trainer level, all the other things are for free.

Salty you are, arent you? :)

As customers - good or bad ones - we gotta say what we think. Simple as that.

Implying that its about our own egoistic fortune is pretty shortsighted. As mentioned many times already, its not about being the strongest only, its about the drive of playing. The longterm goals etc. Where is the motiviation coming from, when you get everything so easy? With this update the game has been changed from longterm to shortterm just by night. A bit ridicolous, dont you think?

Just some words to help you understand the whine.

I already did whine enough here and I am tired of explaining the shortsighting of Niantic. Others leave $$ for them, fine. Im not and thats totally cool :)

OP, your attribution of motive/rationale behind the recent discussions is incorrect. It's not about being upset because people have access to great mons. Spoofers have always had access to great mons and personally, I've never given a fuck about it. You can have all the best 100% mons for all I care.

It's about the game in its current iteration being unchallenging and pitched at a very low level. Just so that I explain it to you properly for your understanding, raids are practically giving away high powered mons and valuable game-changing items for very little effort.
By the way, I respect your dedication to the game despite your illness (I hope you are well now). But your incorrect and unnecessary attribution of ill-motive/jealousy/etc is completely off the mark!

+1 friend

people complain way too much. yea its not perfect, but they are changing the game to make them money. if the game doesn't make money, then they'll add ads or shut it down...as a f2p player, I'm part of the problem, but I don't see any issues following rules and evolving with the game...

It's just too much at once for the traditional (not casual) player. Outside of the ridiculous gym situation. The release of being able to obtain high IV rare pokemon, rare candy, and TMs, at the same time is overdoing the "pleasing casual trainers." Don't mind it, and i have only participated in 3 raids (3 magikarp), yaaayyy me. I do not have a tyranitar, and if i get one, cool.
But the work it took most to get a tyranitar, then have it have a bad moveset, so they try for another, finally get the moveset they wanted, then walk for candies to power-up, has now been condensed into one update, a raid. The wasted time is a reason to be upset, not that everyone can get one.
They should have released raids, TMs, and candies at separate times, and made each one rare'ish, and not come from the same place (raids).

Edit: also adding the motivation drop in leveling up. Funny Niantic put lucky eggs on sale right before the update, which made leveling up a bonus, not goal. And then add new items, raid passes to be purchased. I paid for the discounted items (*), and now they made them "useless," but expect me to pay for raids ?
Burning your supporters, like that, is trash.

*(only time i spent money was for discounts, and some events, sure most did, so they made their money)

I can understand your frustration. People have been begging for moveset rerolls, a way for lower levels to interact, and a completely altered gym system in general, and when they have it, there will always be something to still complain about. I don't exactly blame them because of course there will always be new problems with new changes; there's no way Niantic can pull this off flawlessly. But it would be nice if players could look at the positives more.

I also wish catching the lvl3/4 raid bosses was as easy as people are making it sound to be; in my experience they're not just five balls and caught immediately, or at all.

The problem is not, and never was, that other people can do stuff easy. The problem is that it is too easy for us. With each change of the game system, challenges are removed and things hard to obtain became common. Now there are no rare pokemon, no rare candy, no hard fights, no good defenders. Good attackers can be assembled at will, but then only used once a day (unless you pay money, about $1 for one minute of fighting). Gyms in hard to reach spots used to be prime estate worth a trip, but are traps now. And so it goes on; everything is easy to have but nothing is worth having.

To contrast that, let me wax nostalgically about one of my first serious attempts at gym fighting last summer. There was a level 9 gym, far of the beaten path and thus famous for lasting for weeks. After it was pointed out to me I naturally went there, as I only had a few gyms I had to rebuild every day. The weakest defender was an Exeggutor, which turned out to be too strong for everything I had. in particular, I did not have a single decent Bug and no good Fire types, as both were very rare in my area. This was still the time where you had to do your prestiging with a single attacker. I either did run out of time or fainted with just a sliver remaining on the defenders bar. In the end I nearly did run out of potions, but battery power ran low first. So I had to leave with empty hands. The next day, I collected enough stardust to max a few selected attackers with favorable typing. On the third day I went back and after a grueling hour managed to wedge myself into the lowest level of the gym. Where it remained for weeks, giving me my first stable income. A while later the number of trainers was increased to six, training yourself into a gym became simple, all gyms were filled to the brim, and people started to ruin the game by cutting out the lower levels.

So you have demonstrated you can't read people's complains. Good job.

You are 100% right. People are just salty that others can join the competitive game now.