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I know the moveset really doesnt matter with blissey, but i want to know in pratice, a pound/hyper beam can be a great defender?

Asked by matast7 years 9 months ago

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By far the worst Blissey on defence (Pound/psychic still forces you to be careful to some extent) but probably still some degree better than the next best defender's best moveset (ZH/BS Snorlax).

Beside you can use it for attack when it is kicked out of the gym.

Really that bad? I evolve mine yesterday and power up, better one with high cp than 2 lows

Bad in comparison to the other Blissey movesets but it is spectacular compared to the rest of the game. It's just that, for a top counter to Blissey (Tyranitar, Machamp), it requires the least amount of effort and concentration to defeat, and deals the least damage to the attacker.

No... I have more Trouble with ZH/BS snorlax. Because now with everyone knowing the best Blissey counters the Moveset is important now because no one times out against blissey anymore. Plus the rework is coming very very soon. But she works great on attack.

;( took me forever to evolve and power up one good blissey and is not that great

Dont be sad tho. You can use it for attack and face tank a lof of pokemon :)

If niantic changed the speed of hyper beam , it would be one of the biggest trolls ever

It depends who you use as an attacker. I typically use B/SE Tyranitar. Tyranitar is fast enough to hit nearly all charge move dodges and resists everything except DG. This results in being able to get through ~3 Psychic Blisseys in a row, ~2 HB Blisseys in a row, or 1 DG Blissey with a good chunk of health left. All matches take about the same time. So in this case HB falls somewhere in the middle, easier than DG, but tougher than Psychic.

For comparison, I can get through ~4 ZH/BS Snorlaxes in a row, with each match being much faster than Blissey (HS is toughest mactchup for Tyranitar). So for me the ranking from toughest to easiest would be:

DG Blissey > HB Blissey > Psychic Blissey > BS Snorlax

I use a more varied lineup for prestiging. My most common prestiger is Exeggutor. Exeggutor resists Pyschic, so again Psychic is easiest, DG is toughest, and HB falls in the middle.

However, when prestiging against a P/HB Blissey, I'd choose Machamp. P/HB is the only combination for which neither Blissey attack is SE against Machamp. And HB provides a lot of warning, making it easy to dodge with Machamp's slower moves. Machamp can get stuck in the dodge/revive bug, if you dodge HB with less than ~half health remaining. Nevertheless, I'd consider P/HB the easiest moveset for a Machamp attacker.

Still better than a ZH/BS snorlax. In fact, a level 30 blissey with that moveset and IVs of 75% is better than a maxed out 100% IV level 40 snorlax with ZH/BS as a defender. I ran two simulations on pokebattler using a heracross with C/CC as the attacker.

Against the level 40 perfect snorlax it takes 38 seconds.
https://www.pokebattler.com/fights/attackers/HERACROSS/quickMoves/COUNTER_FAST/cinMoves/CLOSE_COMBAT/cp/2600/defenders/SNORLAX/quickMoves/ZEN_HEADBUTT_FAST/cinMoves/BODY_SLAM/levels/40/ivs/FFF/strategies/DODGE_ALL2/DEFENSE?includeDetails=true&dodgeStrategy=DODGE_REACTION_TIME2

Against P/HB level 30, 75% blissey it takes 62 seconds.
https://www.pokebattler.com/fights/attackers/HERACROSS/quickMoves/COUNTER_FAST/cinMoves/CLOSE_COMBAT/cp/2600/defenders/BLISSEY/quickMoves/POUND_FAST/cinMoves/HYPER_BEAM/levels/30/ivs/CC6/strategies/DODGE_ALL2/DEFENSE?includeDetails=true&dodgeStrategy=DODGE_REACTION_TIME2

That's right, a blissey 10 levels lower with average IVs and its "worst" moveset is still better than the next best defender with its best moveset and perfect IVs.

Wow great, my blissey had 2696 cp my lv is 28.. with 93% ivs 15hp 15at 10df

Just goes to show you how strong blissey is. Your level 28 blissey is already better than any snorlax.

Why would you dodge P with a C/CC Heracross? You'd get similar health and better time if you only dodged HB.

Actually, by dodging only specials you lose 20 more hp and save just 2 seconds:
https://www.pokebattler.com/fights/attackers/HERACROSS/quickMoves/COUNTER_FAST/cinMoves/CLOSE_COMBAT/cp/2600/defenders/BLISSEY/quickMoves/POUND_FAST/cinMoves/HYPER_BEAM/levels/30/ivs/CC6/strategies/DODGE_SPECIALS2/DEFENSE?includeDetails=true&dodgeStrategy=DODGE_REACTION_TIME2

No, you don't. The sim I linked below shows 50.9 seconds and 1.4 Blisseys in row. The earlier for dodging all shows 61.9 seconds and 1.3 Blisseys in row. 61.9 - 50.9 is a difference of 11 seconds -- huge.

You are getting different results be you clicked dodge specials, not dodge specials pro --- that is you wait until the HB to use a CC, so you are using few CC attacks. This strategy only works well, if the defender has frequent charge attacks, so you can use your charge moves soon after they are available. For example, it would work well against a BS Snorlax.

See https://www.pokebattler.com/fights/attackers/HERACROSS/quickMoves/COUNTER_FAST/cinMoves/CLOSE_COMBAT/levels/32.5/ivs/EDF/defenders/BLISSEY/quickMoves/POUND_FAST/cinMoves/HYPER_BEAM/levels/30/ivs/CC6/strategies/DODGE_SPECIALS/DEFENSE?includeDetails=true&dodgeStrategy=DODGE_REACTION_TIME2

The sim I ran, based on the link showed 59.7 seconds versus the 61.9 seconds which is how I derived the 2 second difference. In any case, it's still much longer than ZH/BS snorlax.

The sim you linked has a dodge strategy hardly anyboyd would use. I'd expect typically attackers to use the first CC as soon as it is charged up ("dodge specials pro"), not wait until the first HB to use their CC which has been charged and waiting for some time (the "'dodge specials" that you simulated)

You are getting different results be you clicked dodge specials, not dodge specials pro --- that is you wait until the HB to use a CC, so you are using few CC attacks.

You're right, either way you finish the fight longer than against a level 40 ZH/BS snorlax in every case.

The truth is with the dodge bug Hyper Beam ain't that bad. Pound gets stab and ZH offers type coverage most mons who resist Normal type attacks don't have the firepower to KO her unless they're grossly overleveled. You will love her on attack!

It can tank through 3 non DT nite.

I have 2 P/HB Blisseys sitting at 2985 and 3005CP respectively. Don't regret powering them up at all. Would I like them to have DG? Of course but they also double as unreal attackers when they aren't in gyms.

It still takes them a long time to take down a 3000CP Blissey and if they don't dodge the HB or get the bug it can be a real PITA for them.

I don't for a second regret powering them up to 3000CP and I would do it again in a heart beat.