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Will Articuno be much better functionally than Lapras?

I don't think there's much doubt he wouldn't be as a defender.

As an attacker his stats are HP-180, attack 192, defense 249. Comparing that with Lapras at HP 260, attack 165, and defense 180 I don't see where he would be markedly better enough to be a "one event super limited release" type mon. A little faster I guess but not as durable. Not strong enough to rank as a generalist attacker either. I haven't looked into other legendaries like this but how many others won't really effect the current meta? Just glancing over them most of them do not appear to be game changers. So what's the wait and why should they not be available to catch in the wild, an aspect of the game less discussed but falling as hard as others quickly.

Asked by JHVS7 years 11 months ago
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by pipjay 7 years 11 months ago

If you are attacking a Dragonite with Steel Wing, water/ice is better than ice/flying.

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by JHVS 7 years 11 months ago

Related to that I cannot help but laugh at the currently known moves for Suicune. So I guess no water quick move to make him OP...yet he is yet another worse version of Vape even if he could get water gun. So zero reason to get this mon if this holds true.

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New moves I'd like to see are Whirlpool (water) at 1.1s and Ice Fang with the stats of Fire Fang.

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I agree.
If the movesets and stats listened are the stats they get, the Articuno and Molteres are quite useless. Articuno is, as already mentioned a worse Lapras and Moltetes, what should I do with him? Almost all Top defenders (Dragonite/Vape/Gyra/T-Rex/Rhydon) resist fire. And for Snorlax/Blissey are way better options. Also as defender, everyone has a Vape..
Only Zapdos is useable, but also only a better Jolteon, SE against Vaporeon/Gyrados but thats it. Nothing like a Dragonite.

But I'm really excited how they implement it. If you can only catch one, how about IV/Moveset? There would be many sad players if they get a bad moveset and low IV and can't do anything to get a better one.

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Maybe this is a dumb question, but....

Any reason that Niantic couldn't doctor the stats on these legionaries to make them stronger?

Surely they understand all this...and I'm sure they would agree with the players that the legionaries SHOULD be gym relevant. But it sounds like unless they do something to buff them, they'll just be a weaker Lapras/Vap/etc

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If it's a dumb question then we're both dummies since it's pretty much where my statement leads.

I think they could do it with special moves or types of moves without tampering with base stats if they had to.

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They should use the base stats from the main series games as a starting point, but be open to manually adjusting them so they can balance their game. It is an entirely different combat system, so it has different needs. They could make some slightly too weak pokemon a little better, and some -- mainly Blissey -- a little worse.

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All but one should be 0% IVs with crap moves. This way the one you see in the gym would be LEGENDARY!

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Yeah articuno would suck as a defender so far I mean it doesn't have good enough stats to justify a 4x weakness to rock

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I think simply giving them exclusive moves or simply, better moves solves everything.

You don't even have to play with their stats since Machamp, with new moves is the fastest attacker into Snorlax/Blissey...

Same situation for Fire Spin/Overheat Flareon...

I assume move damage can be played around with by Niantic to make anything more/less powerful.

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I think that will be niantics solution because it's definitely the easiest. I think niantic will give legendaries moves that other Pokémon cannot learn. Legendaries will have unique moves.

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