Side Effects of 1 Pokemon per Gym Rule on "Non-Legendary" Pokemon
We have no way of knowing if the code for 1 is going to apply to all pokemon or only some pokemon. But assuming for a Second it applies to all pokemon.
Here are some Negative side effects I have thought about.
The idea of 1 per Gym is going to have some serious side effects.
1) There will be almost no point to powering up above 3000. This will dramatically weaken people’s desire to keep playing.
You won’t be able to put your 3300 Dragonite or 3100 Snorlax into a Gym, if there’s already a 3000 Dragonite on Top or a 2600 point Snorlax in Gym.
Why keep working, and stiving for that “Great” pokemon, if you can’t use it?????
2) Think about the way this will punish lower level players.
There are only 9 Pokemon that can reach 3000 not including Legendaries.
Tyrantir, a level 30 Tyrantir will sit above everything but perhaps Dragonite, Snorlax, Rhydon, and Gary. Meaning why bother powering it up when it’s going to be at Worst Spot 5 in a Tower.
Level 35 Players, aren’t going to be hurt by this change as much as lower. At 35+ your starting to get Vaperon into the 3k range.
Lower Level Players aren’t going to be able to power up their 1 Dragonite to be above that 3k Vaperon.
3) Do you think People are going to Prestige up Gyms from 7 to 10, if they can’t put anything above the bottom?
Once the “Big 7” are in a Gym, people aren’t going to spend the Longer Time Periods and do extra Prestige work, only to place the bottom pokemon.
You will see that 10th pokemon stuff like Magikarp that won’t need reviving.
Worse, you will see people shaving level 6, level 5, gyms because they want to place the Vaperon, snorlax, etc.
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We also don't know if it is a 1 of each pokemon per gym limit. All we know is that the name of the code is "MaxSamePokemonAtFort".
That could be set to any number of the same pokemon in one gym. I would like to see a limit of 2-3 for each nonlegendary pokemon per gym, a limit of 1 for each legendary pokemon, and a limit of 2-3 total legendary pokemon per gym. Allow the limit to encourage diversity without forcing it, because there would be unintended consequences with forcing only one of each.
Or, as a few other people have suggested, that could be a max number of the same pokemon that each trainer individually can place in different gyms. It would be nice if players hogging gyms could only place three Blissey total in different gyms.
Good points and why I don't like the whole "limit" idea at all...My guess is the gym rework will be out at or before the 1 year anniversary or maybe at the same time.
This is, however a massive change in the game and will have a lot of problems when launched IMO.
If you are a casual player and not as high level and have 1 GREAT Dragonite or Tyranitar, you should be able to play it and put it in a gym or what not...I see some level 30s with maxed out Dragonites or T-rex in my area and near the top and that's good I think...At least you get 1+some gyms you tear down for 20-40 coins/dust which is pretty decent for a level 30 player.
As much as people hate the current system, it still isn't as bad as some of these other suggestions I see...
If they made this change, now, both low and high level people can't interact at all at the gym since someone else already put their, say 2900 Dragonite when you have a 3400...For areas with limited gyms, this is even worst since you're now totally stuck if that said gym also has a Rhydon, Gary, Blissey and Snorlax...You'll be always stuck at the bottom.
As you mention, which is a great point, there is also now no reason at all to power up defenders with high CP past the limit of around 3100 since level 39 is max currently and you'll still above perfect Vaps.
I also assume the level cap will be raised at the year anniversary so things will stagnate even worst since no need to power up most mons over 3100.
This is just a bad idea all around.
I disagree because of the fun/business aspect of your OP. You made it more business than fun. I posted somewhere else about the ability a multiple mon gym has to be a deterrent over a level 10 Dragonite gym.
Dragonite/Gyarados/Snorlax gyms are preyed on heavily, easy take all my Jolteons and attack all these gyarados, etc...
This gym I'm in has lasted longer than any gym I've seen in this area:
Arcanine 2331CP
Jolteon 2416CP
Exeggutor 26xxCP
Golem 26xxCP
Flareon 27xxCP
Blissey 27xxCP
Espeon 28xxCP
Gyarados 29xxCP
Snorlax 3xxxCP
Dragonite 3xxxCP
And thats my Jolteon (VS/DC) that I pretiged it for, as the 9th to enter. Even though i had a 2825CP gyarados, but rather see my Jolteon behind the Arcanine and in front of the Exeggutor, for obvious typing reasons. The 10th trainer put that Blissey in there.
Having to change it pokemon during gym battles is probably the most aggravating thing, and to have to plan/strategize an attack, that could take forever. Or we can see a bunch of Dragonites, and attack with ice, fairy, etc
I don't disagree with you that it's close by, but again, my point is that all that's needed is 1 trainer who doesn't want that Valor tower there and it would be gone.
I see 3 other gyms on my gym runs/walks, but I rarely/never walk that far so I just don't bother wasting the extra 5-10 minutes to walk there.
I see other people do their runs and it's the same, they usually hit the one near where they are and skip one that's a few blocks away.
Remember, we are talking about 10 cents here and 500 dust...For some folks, their dust stock is decent (limited number of mons to power up) and there is risk of getting knocked out of earlier gyms the more you take over on a gym run.
It's accessibility isn't in question. A church. Churches tends to meet twice a week, thats 8 crowds. The fact that it's right next to two restaurants (two pokestops), across the street from a big business, a block away from a high school, and in the other direction, a quarter mile from a technical college campus (where the other two gyms are). It is passed by because no one wants to deal with the headache, not because it's not accessible
Exactly, no one wants to "deal" with the headache or simply bother with your gym...Taking down any gym is simply time...I don't attack a gym because it being there doesn't affect me and attacking it "wastes" 10 or even 5 minutes of my time. I value my 5 minutes more than any "fun" I get from tapping and swiping my phone. I have 2600+ battles and trained 1100+ times...It's just not that "fun" for me.
The only point I keep saying is your gym is around because no one cares to tear it down. That's it.
NOT because you think there is some magic ordering making someone be afraid to attack it because it would waste a lot more potions/time to attack it having to switch mons, etc...
That's the only thing I am trying to get at here.
The mons and order is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. People overvalue movesets/defenders/ordering, all that speal...
If someone actually wanted to tear it down, they will and no order or mons will stop them. It doesn't matter it's near a church, a school, anything. No players care to attack the gym because attacking a gym that will get rebuilt is a total waste of time.
That is my only point...and it's not because of the mons or order. It could be 10 Dragonites and people will skip it...
Only Blissey can be a minor deterrent since it takes MORE time....
The best gym is a level 10 gym with 10 Level 39 Blisseys. Done...Total time waster...and I am mainly disagreeing with your earlier post that a varied gym is better.
I varied gym is better... in every way. Easier on the eyes, lol! No one likes to see 6 Dragons, 3 Gyarados, and a Blissey in a gym. I don't take down gyms with variety, 1] because it's not the same thing, 2] creativity, 3] because it wasn't a bunch of tools throwing in their highest CP mon (usually a Dragon/Gyara/etc) to top the others on their "team." But when i see a dragonite gym, too easy, take it down, and put a 2100CP Vileploom there ?
PS: this was one of those gyms that transferred from team to team, that did such foolery, before this takeover. But yes, if someone wanted to take down a gym, they would, same goes for the level 10 Blissey Gym. I for one would take it out, just to piss the ones off that made it, thinking it would last
Man I wish I saw gyms like that I want nothing more than gym diversity I am just glad these kinds of gyms are out there because in my area it is just a bunch of super easy to kill Dragonites, Tyranitars, and Gyarados in gyms which makes battling super boring because I just select my DT gyarados my FB/B dewgong my C/CC machamp and Ursaring then my jolteon finally I pick my snorlax or blissey as a trump card and then destroy the gym easy peasy.
Interesting points, although I don't agree with all your conclusions.
The top players (35+ in my area) will have incentive to max out some NON "big 7", which will add a bit of much-needed interest, eg max out an Espeon rather then keep feeding Garys. It would be these top-tier players that would be willing to prestige gyms above level 7 to place one of their non-Big7 trophies (and also provide some rationale to keep leveling above 35).
Agree a likely result is fewer level 10 towers and greater gym turnover, I think that would benefit lower level players that don't have a stable of 3K mons.
Shaving of level 6, 5 or lower gyms is a good concern, but again would result in more spots for lower level players (pretty easy to train up those gyms) or invite enemy attacker because the gym is such a pushover.
Still, the undeniable benefit would be greater diversity when attacking a given gym, you might get to fight some very rarely seen pokes that no one bothers to put in a gym now! I'm realy interested to see what they've got up their sleeve....
Arak,
You could put that 3300 Dragon somewhere else, lol. And you are right, only 9 can reach 3000cp, but 22 (outside "big 7," not including legendary) can hit +2600cp. So if someone puts a 2600cp dragonite in a gym, you could go above it by maxing one of 28 other pokemon. So, i think the opposite about players not maxing their pokemon. I think they will start maxing other pokemon, outside the "big 7," so they can have a leg up on the competition. Though these pokemon may not be defensive, but neither is a gyarados...
It would punish team player whom co-work each other to make strong gym with 10 bliss so that it can challenge other team to take it down. Its actaually preatty easy to take down 10 bliss gym if you can play it with team consists of 5 to 10 more players like nick youtube video played it with dozen of players. If they limit it, there is no strong gym anymore. People rather play solo to take fown gym cos its a weak gym than looking for friends to take down 10 bliss gym.
