Gym placement thought
Wouldn't it be better if it was decided by the order of placement instead of CP? At first I thought the first that came should sit at the top, even if it's a stupid Pidgey (this happens sometimes...) but actually the last one should be on top, because the latecomer would have to gain a lot of prestige and wouldn't bother to do that for a Pidgey. Or maybe the first one on top, the one who's conquered the gym, and then the latecomers.
No doom and gloom in comments please, tired of all this "nothing will ever change" and "why bother discussing anything". I'm feeling misanthropic enough irl.
Edit: maybe it might be simpler if the prestige gained would decide who sits higher, with maximum prestige gained for claiming the gym. That might be abused by cheaters with bubblestrat or what do you call it, or just anyone who wants to sit high, but that means they'll open up place for others so the gym will grow faster. Point is, one has to earn the placement, not just utilize a species' inflated CP.
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Think about it.
Right now the game forces the trainer to have strong enough pokemon to defeat a rival gym and have strong enough pokemon to defend an ally gym.
Now, if the new system is first come stays at the top of the gym even if its a stupid pidgey, what do you think will happen when trainers catch on that they no longer need high CP defenders because they can sit at the top of a gym with a weedle?
But then the gym will be targeted by other teams. If the first few mons are the only hard ones to fight then opposing trainers will be motivated to put in the time to take them out and then have an easy ride to taking the gym. OP’s ideas wouldn’t discouraging putting in strong defenders it would encourage taking down other team’s gyms to be in the protected slots and last longer.
I like the idea to let level decide. To avoid troll Weedle/Ratata/Pidgey, I also think that only fully evolved pokémon should be able to get a gym spot.
Then, if you wanted to troll, you'd have to power up a Beedrill or something. I don't think too many people would've done that. And it would've been better than a Weedle anyway. Even low level players can get fully evolved mons pretty easily, so I can't see any issue with such a restriction.
THIS!!
I think cp is an extremely poor way to determine placement. If the current system were to stay in place, over time, it would weed out all players who don't have high iv dragonites and tyranitars. Which is a TERRIBLE way to represent the pokemon universe. There are 251 species, 100-150 which were viable to use in the main series, which have been narrowed down to the top few which have naturally higher base stats.
I think pokemon level is a perfect solution.
As well and a side note, I think it would be awesome if Niantic included a way to sort pokemon by level.
I like that too but I do think it would be a problem because the cheaters usually have the highest level. So the highest level trainers would have the biggest advantage. If they do that I say they make it so you can power up your mons to 40s even if your a level 30 or 32 or 28 or whatever. If your a lower level and you want to waste all your stardust and coins on powering something real high go for it, it's not like you don't still have to grind stardust, and you'll probably have much less high level Pokémon anyway still. I would say you should still only see level 28 or lower mon in the wild if your a level 28, but you should be allowed to power to 40 if you choose
This would directly solve the problem, but then wouldn't it create a "problem" where a low level player would then have the means to wipe down a lv 10 opposing gym?
As I think it over perhaps making the Pokémon level as the determining factor for placement may not be an immediate solution? I'm hoping Niantic's gym rework restructures the gym system entirely. Maybe they have an idea outside of the box? For example, maybe they could make it where if an opposing trainer knocks out a Pokémon, the player whose Pokémon was knocked out could still have the ability to collect for say 72 hours afterwards for that specific gym. This would help players in areas where there are many spoofers on opposing teams. Just one wild thought.
I know there were new texts found in an apk not too long ago regarding Pokémon becoming hungry and such, and in curios to see how it plays a role. I am hopeful that their solution will take into account the presence of spoofers and that their solution will minimize the advantage spoofers currently have
New players have to work hard in order to be gym leaders. What's unfair about that. Its not uncommon for people to prestige two or three empty slots especially the first couple. And with bubble starters doing even more lowbies can still accumulate small amounts of coins. I don't think you should be able to get 50-100 coins per day unless you put in the hours. Nothing unfair there.
It will also mean that any lvl40 can place a 'bubblestrat' mon in and still retain the No1 spot in a gym.
It will encourage high level players to place low level mons for easy training, and give them a greater benefit, over a lower level player who is actually trying to make the gym stronger.
I am not saying I have a better solution, but I can immediately see how that can be abused.
The next way to take advantage of that gym system that I can think of is to place high level weak mons in the gym so that it makes them easier to train, and keep your mon higher up.
This isn't altogether a bad idea...unless lvl40 Magikarp start locking down the top position - which would be easy as Magikarp candy is not hard to come by.
It might also encourage high level players to use unevolved mons for gyms, as it takes less candy to train them to their max level, if you don't use the candy for evolution.
Even pidgeys at lvl40 will be locking down top spot.
Also, those that have bypassed game mechanics to actually achieve lvl40 mons, instead of the legit 38.5(??) limit would be given an advantage over the legit player...but this can be over come if Niantic allow us to train our mons to lvl40.
Please note, I am not trying to be argumentative, but I am just trying to see how specific ideas would be 'abused'....but I think you already see this.
I went to bed and now I'm back! I see what you're saying; I do think Niantic will eventually tirade the power up cap to level 40, because like you mentioned there are already Pokémon at lv40 which gives a minor advantage.
How much stardust would it take to bring a lv 30 to lv40? I personally wouldn't invest in a pidgey or magikarp but I know others would, it would require hella dust to bring 10 Pokémon from 30 to 40.
I'm hoping Niantic finds a solution to the gym situation in terms of finding a solution bigger than reorganizing the way gym placement works! Crossing my fingers
I wouldn't do a pidgey...but I might be tempted to do a really good IV Magikarp, because it will be a good mon once you get around to evolving it.
But now I am waffling on.
I am with you...hoping Niantic get it right with the rework. Time will tell, and I suspect it won't be long before we find out.
If people start trolling and throwing high level pidgey in the top slot that gym would be sure to fall right quick. I see a pidgey as the icon on top of the gym and I say to myself: " this won't take too many revives". Unless I'm missing the point I don't believe this to be a good argument against using level.
This is a good solution to add diversity, but I think it won't change being a huge change in diversity, as most gyms would still hold thhe same 10-13 Pokémon, or the top 10-13 highest max cp species (tyranitar, dragonite, Snorlax, rhydon, gyarados, blissey, donphan, vaporeon, etc.)
In terms of an immediate solution, I'm all for this. As for longer-term, is mmm hopeful we will see something that brings out more Pokémon like steelix, slowbro, hitmonchan (almost typed hitmonjam lol), omastar, weezing, dodrio, magneton, etc. (not all of these make for good gym defenders)
