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Opinion in trading

Dont you think trading could still be fucked up even with the feature of being close to the guy?

I mean lets say, a local guy sells himself ''dragonites for 5 dollars, full max, iv 100 contact me''

then the guy who really wants dragonites but doesnt spoof, will say viva la spoofing resistance, he takes the risk of the ban and i wont, and will get a dragonite, viva la RMT

They will need to ban the spoofer and any pokemon he ever caught even when it isnt in his inventory anymore, but dunno if will even ban or be able too

So prepare, youll see more rares in gyms because of this

Asked by Jayem8 years 5 months ago

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I honestly do not care if trading ever happens. The only trade I think I will ever make is to my 10 year old nephew who worked his butt off to evolve his fourth SW Dragonite. I'm going to give him one of my best. He's put in the work I've just had better luck. Outside of that I am proud of my Pokes because they're mine. I have no desire to have other people's accomplishments in my roster but I don't hate on anyone that does.

Word. I'm not interested in someones else his Pokemon. I'm playing this game for my personal achievements. Wouldn't feel the same if I obtain my last Pokemon by trading.

Are you going to travel to get the regionals too? Heh. That'd be too expensive for me so I'd rather wait for some foreign tourists to trade with :)

I'd rather not have a useless regional than have all of my gyms laden with 100% maxed mons. That said I'm going to SFL in September and I hope I get a Herscross and a Corsolla.

I meant regionals for completing one's pokedex, few of them are useful anyway.

I understood that. But in my opinion (as the game is now) advocating trading is getting a useless regional for you while you face a ton more spoofed or bought mons in gyms. And that's a trade I have zero inkling to make.

Agreed. Don't care about completing the pokedex anyway. I only hope that someday, even if it's a few years' wait, PoGo gets as much interaction between players as the console games. In the meantime I'll evolve enough of everything that is trade-to-evolve in the original, in case they introduce that too XD

I'm with you. Cheers, it's the weekend.

Yes, I went to Chile to obtain Heracross and I got some other vacations planned to other regions as well.

Good for you. But if I ever go to a tropical country I'd pay less attention to Pokemon than to real local fauna. Heracross is good but a selfie with a giant beetle on my head would be better :D

Haha it's all a matter of priorities my friend :D

Trading is gonna be terrible for the game unless they manage to ban all the spoofers beforehand, which we all know isn't gonna happen.

In the console series there are some restrictions for cloned/hacked pokemon. Like you can't use them in pvp or tournaments or something. Niantic might make some mistakes along the way and some people might get banned for trading with cheaters but I believe they'll think of something in the end. In a few years maybe. I didn't believe in gen2 before summer but sometimes the game brings pleasant surprises.

but how do you identify pokemon spoofers catch and trade? In the main games theres ways to tell since some pokemon shouldn't be in certain balls or have certain moves or have been hatched in ways that power saves does. Here in pokemon go I don't know how you would tell pokemon apart.

I dunno, this problem is for techies to solve. Someone with knowledge on the matter said it wasn't that difficult to stop spoofing, so Niantic doesn't even try, etc. But I think that's not a priority yet, I think they're working on updates that keep the attention of casual players to keep the funds coming - nothing wrong with that, a huge project like this must cost a lot. People rant about Niantic being greedy, but I've seen games where you can't succeed without donation and PoGo is not one of them. Unless you're a rural player I guess, but most people who complain are from places where you can't do without a car anyway.

I appreciate your optimism in regards to coding against cheating in this post and your appraisal of the pay to win in this game versus others is spot on. Folks calling this game a money grab haven't played enough other games imo. This is a terrific balance plus it allows you to achieve personal goals albeit more slowly while paying nothing.

I hate the ignorant "money grab" comments above all others tbh.

The day trading start is likely the day I'll stop playing. Spoofers are only counting on this to make money, and sure enough, Niantic doesn't seem to be able to do anything about it. Cheating is one thing, but I won't play a game where cheaters can make money out of it.

You know, life itself is a game where cheaters make money. Celebrities that know how to sell themselves, business owners who exploit people, etc etc. Know your enemy but don't let them ruin your life.

So true, though there's plenty of games, so stopping one to start another won't ruin my life. I'll have to find another one were I end up walking as much though! Truly hope somebody come up with a similar game by then, I guess.

I hope trading never happens for the obvious reasons. Btw I would NEVER trade my 100 IV dnite for $5. Haha.

Me either but the minute that everyone else has a $5 100% Dragonite your accomplishment is worth $5.

Haha. True.

After reading the japanese guy talking about trading : we will make it carefully so the game will not BROKEN(sorry i forgot what he said)
ME be like : WTF? ur game already broken by the SPoofer... its to late to think about it, give us the trading ASAP...

First, do we have any evidence that they ban specific pokemon or would ban people for having them? At this point I don't even know what Niantic's game plan is for anything...it certainly isn't to stop cheaters. They can't even figure out gym battling...the dodge bug has been worse than ever...how the hell does a feature in the game get WORSE over time without any real changes to the mechanics?

In addition to that, why do we assume trading will take place any time in the NEAR FUTURE? I honestly don't expect this "gym rework" to actually happen during the summer, and trading would be way after that. I think we will be well into Gen 3 before trading becomes a thing. At this point I would trust a monkey smacking a keyboard more than I would trust anything Niantic says.

In response to your first statement, considering that Pokémon that are caught in the Congo are fighting in Little Rock Arkansas two hours later I'm going with no, they aren't coded. And even if they start coding this he cat will be out of the bag with all these uncoded mons. They should have started coding mons per region months ago when I suggested it. It is the only way-not massive servers looking for well hidden mods etc-that would completely limit spoofing to some extent. It's the same effective tactic as targeting an illegal enterprises money instead of trying to connect a constellation of dots to prove cheating.

One thing is not banning hard to detect spoofers or those which only spoof in their city to refill or go gyms

And another thing is dont ban blatant spoofers with pokemons from the whole world which jump and jump to places plus they teach others how to do it in youtube and niantic dont doing anything

Niantic is just too noob as company honestly pokemon shirt is too big for them, however no company likes RMT unless they gain profit from it, and with this they wont get profit, wonder with what they will come or do or think about it

I wonder wth they do anyway in general

If and when trading comes out, I would start a separate account and cheat with it. I would obtain great Pokemon in the most unfair ways imaginable, and then trade them to my original, legit account.

This is why trading must never happen. It's just so fucking stupid.

And wouldn't you get bored with the game soon after that? Or do you just enjoy cheating?

I think trading will come in the future, not near one, but it will definetely come. We legal players cannot pay the bill of cheaters and spoofers. Trading has always been a thing in the original games, and I really enjoyed that feature. I still remember going to school with the GameBoy and trading some of my pokémon with my friends.

I know it will probably break the game, the problem is not trading itself, is Niantic being incompetent about spoofers and people that has 200 Tyranitar, 200 Snorlax, 200 Blissey, 200 Dragonite...

I have thinked about some options to make trading more fair. For example:

Limit the number of trading you can make to 2 per day
Reset mon level to 1 once you trade them, the value of a 100IV mon level 1 is not the same as a fully powered up one.
Limit mon of the same "kind" you can actually trade, for example you can only "give away" 5 mon of the same type during the same year (top tiers are the main target of this)
If you trade more than 1 mon from a different region on the same day put a flag on it, for example if one person trades a Dragonite from Santa Monica and a few minutes later he trades a Tyranitar from Japan, advice them in game, fear is a good weapon.
Try to use some kind of technology that actually needs the person to stay in front of each other, spoofers will probably not go out of home to trade their mon
Most people will have a "circle" of friends who will trade with, people that sell mon will have a very big circle, so put another flag once an account has traded with more than 5 accounts per example on the same week.

I could think of a lot more ways to make trading very low value for spoofers/cheaters and I hope Niantic does this too. If they can't stop them they can make trading business not really valuable for people that wants money, and this way you don't have to ruin a feature that a lot of people wants.

Note that all numbers I have used are just examples, you can put your "own" number there just to make it more "fair"

I am playing the game for fun and the fun isnt filling my pokedex it is playing the game. I could care less if I get all the worldwide regionals or not. The fun is in the chase. I am not chasing what isnt available.

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