Machamp
I've evolved 10 Machop to Machamp and never gotten a dual Fighting moveset.
On my eleventh try I got Counter/Close Combat. From what I can see Dynamic Punch would've been better, but how much better?
What would you do? Invest or save up for a new one?
I have a Machop nest right outside my door for another week, so candy isn't a problem.
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I've evolved over 15 Machops and just recently got C/CC after try 11 since then I did 5 more and got 2 more C/CC, iv"s aren't amazing all 70-85% but for attacking it's irrelevant. I said I'm done trying for C/DP and put one at level 33.5 other two to level 30. I don't know from expericensince I don't have C/DP but I can tell you C/CC is extremely good can best two +2700 snorlax in a row and just beat 2950 Blissey with ZH/DG with 15% hp left....imo max it out 100%
I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or not lol. If you have the resilience to farm and evolve 10 Machamp duds in a row then maybe you're enjoying the challenge? x)
That is seriously rough though. Respect.
Counter is a very good quick move. Close Combat is ok (it's energy inefficient). As a combination they make a good moveset.
Dynamic Punch is significantly better than Close Combat. It is one of the best charge moves in the game for attack.
Most players will like C/CC. It is a good moveset. If your guy is high enough level then try him out for a bit.
Unfortunately statistics doesn't care about past performance. Our old mate statistics doesn't care that you've evolved 11 Machamps without getting the MS you want. Your next one will still have a ~17% chance of C/DP. It's up to you where you draw the line. At least you've got a C/CC under your belt. :)
I feel your pain. I have evolved 4 machamps since gen2 and all of them are bullet punch. I will keep trying, but meanwhile I have powered up some glass cannons like espeon and gengar as blissey counters. From what I read, C/CC damage ouput is about 95% of C/DP, so pretty close. Not sure the difference to dodging though. Also I am using a level 30 RS/DP poliwrath as a mini-machamp for lower cp blisseys
Jeez. That's a lot of machop candies. You guys must be tripping over them. I've only evolved 4 Machamps. First one was KC/CC when Champs were irrelevant, second was BP/HS (ugh) and the third and fourth were.......back to back C/DP! Woo hoo!!
I would keep grinding for candies to evolve again. Don't give up!
Fun fact: the DPS difference between Counter/DP and Counter/CC (about 10%) is larger than the DPS difference between Dragon Tail/Outrage and DT/Hyper Beam (7.5%); but for some reason people advocate powering up Close Combat while they hate Hyper Beam for Dragonite.
People are weird. Do what suits your play style, but a 10% difference in DPS is either minimal if you play casually, or extreme if you're a perfectionist.
Cheers.