gym fighting really needs to get harder

Yeah. There are a few cases where it can be a little challenging. You'd have loved it for like the first week after gen2, where the quick moves were much slower, but everything else was the same - battling was hard.

Now the main challenge is that you have to spin mad stops to keep up with potions. Even in the city, I'm having a terrible time keeping up with supply. Ever-growing morgue filled with dead stuff that I can't justify the supplies for. And I'm not even doing much battling.

This is not where the challenge should be.

I think Niantic main interest is to attract new players, which could be impossible if gym fighting was too hard for low players.

You have to beat those opponents multiple times. For a 10er-Gym, you have to fight something like 50 battles. This will take most likely 30 to 60 minutes, depending on the defenders.

The problem is not time to beat the gym, but time to get the potions. Doint this the standard way, you walk and spin one stop per minute. You will maybe get one potion per turn, one yellow or better every 5 turns. Let us assume, you will need 30 yellow or better potions, so you have to walk and spin 150 minutes to prepare takedown of a 10er tower.

Yes, battling is easy. It is just investing the ressources, you have gathered patiently.

Edit: oops, to slow. Sorry at DrAzzy for posting same content.

Dragonite and Gyarados are primarely attackers and not defenders, unfortunately the real defenders have mostly low cp.

Yeah, once you start focusing on prestiging your realize just how easy it is. It's just a time grind...

This is why I don't see the "Big Gym Revamp" doing much.

Phone Limitations will prevent the game from having too many buttons like a Ninentdo Game Controller would need.

Balancing easy for the young children & new players
vs
hard for the adults / whales

If impossible.

And I highly doubt the basic combat from Interactive to Turn-by-Turn which is how Pokemon was designed.

Lol try prestiging against Poliwrath w/ RS/IP, C/IB, P, or WP Slowbro, Snorlax w/ ZH/BS, and Blissey and your mind will change.

If solo a gym isn't easy enough, you can have multiple attackers at the same time, which is so unfair to gym defender

Your experience isn't a great example. First, both of those pokemon have double weaknesses, as do many of the top cp pokemon. They are in gyms because they have a high cp, not because they are good at defending...

Second, both of those pokemon you used are bulky pokemon, and at high levels. You are surprised tanky pokemon could last while you were dodging most of the damage? It's funny how much damage you can deliver when you can avoid damage and take a beating...this is why Blissey is a great attacker...

In addition to those pokemon being tanky, both hit for double SE damage, and even ice does neutral damage to Gyarados because he is also flying.

This is a case of you picking underrated, high level pokemon, with a type advantage, and using them against a couple of the worse defenders in the game.

Go fight those same pokemon but use...
1600 cp Jolteon, 1600 cp Kingdra, and a 1400 cp Sneasel. Let me know how that goes.

Or try prestiging against my C/IB Slowbro or C/PS Hypno. I stuck that Hypno in a gym I can see from my house and a number of times people tried to prestige against it and gave up. A real gym killer...

The biggest problem is that the cp system is broken. Many of the best defenders are not used because they would never make it above the bottom spot in a gym.