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Small great pokemon

These are pokemon, who are likely to be overlooked or underestimated, and they don't have a special remark, mostly only moderate rating.
They are brilliant prestigers, and slow but steady gym attackers too.
They usually share a usefull typing, good defense and mediocrate attack stat. Usually, they are a bit potion intensive.
I like them very much, and a give you a list.

Umbreon - Generalist prestiger and specialist attacker against Espeon, Alakazam and Exeggutor Dewgong / Piloswine with double Ice moveset: Dragonite prestiger or attacker (second line after Cloyster and lapras) Hypno / Wigglytuff: Generalist prestigers Tangela: Prestiger or attacker into waters Lanturn (double Electric): My personal favourite against Garados, prestiging and attacking.

I assume, the most of you know all of them and like some of them. If you are not familiar with all of them, take a look! They are worth it.

Asked by Bruno Brezel8 years 1 month ago
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A good list!

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by razvan 8 years 1 month ago

Isn't Tangela even stronger vs. Rhydon than vs. Vaporeon if you dodge all?

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Yes, it is, but i have a lot of Vaporeons to fight Rhydon with double SE + STAB advantage too, easy going. So i do not need to use my tangelas (who are smaller) here.

Until now, I have used tangela against Vaporeon only.

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by razvan 8 years 1 month ago

A bit related to Hypno - recently, using a suicide squad tactic, I was surprised for the first time by a Confusion Mr. Mime. Single handed beat a bite Gyarados double his xp. Gya had HP I think, did not had time to cast it :), might had been luck that gym AI delayed the cast to much. I need to pay more attention to next Mr. Mime fights.

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Actually, I put Piloswine above Cloyster as a Dragonite attacker or prestiger as Piloswine has much higher HP than Cloyster.

I have a 1859 CP Piloswine with Powder Snow + Avalanche and he can take down a 3000 CP Dragonite on his own just before fainting with 3 x Avalanche charge moves (2-bar charge move) - deadly.

For presitiging I am hunting for Swinub's with CP in the range 370 to 405 to evolve. Caught several, but did not manage to evolve one with Avalanche yet.

Lanturn is also a favourite of mine from Gen 2.

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A lvl 30 Cloyster (so between 2000-2100 CP) with Frost Breath and either Avalanche or Blizzard takes 2 x 3000 cp Dragonite, at least old ones, did not tried with 2x DT ones.

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And - not to forget: Cloyster's health is defense-based, not stamina-based, and therefore cloyster is very potion-efficient.

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A lvl 30 Cloyster (so between 2000-2100 CP) with Frost Breath and either Avalanche or Blizzard takes 2 x 3000 cp Dragonite,

Why no mention of Ice Shard/Avalanche Cloyster?

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It is mentioned in original posting. Cloyster is a well known dragonite-counter, i wanted to put some light on (CP-wise) smaller pokemon, that can do this job too.

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I agree. Compared to cloyster Piloswine beat dragonite much quicker. I have both PS/A Piloswine and FB/B Cloyster.

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Piloswine's and Cloysters ATT-Stat is quite similar: Short over 180+IV.
So, as i confirmed in simulation, battle time against dragonite only depends on moveset.
In my simulation, both pokemon battle with same dodging scheme.
If both have Avalanche / Ice Shard, the time is pretty much the same.

Blizzard takes 3 seconds longer than AV (Cloyster).
Frost breath is 3 seconds better than IS (Cloyster)
Powder snow is 2 seconds better than IS (Piloswine)

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Yeah then it makes sense. However I have evolved 4-5 closyter and none of them get avalanche.

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This is a good list Bruno, and I would also add that the half-CP versions of Vaporeon, Flareon, Jolteon, plus Dragonite, are also fine prestigers. If you find them at level 15 or so, they are just at the right CP level for prestiging. Half CP Lapras and Tyranitars would also be great as prestigers but their rarity makes them inaccessible.

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The topics are related to each other, but my list was focussed on underestimated pokemon.
A prestiger's list would surely contain the same pokemon, and - as you are writing correctly, some not fully powered attackers.

Vaporeon counts to these for sure, Lapras too, but not flareon, jolteon and dragonite. -
they may be good for prestiging anyway, but they have a smaller defense, and a strong attack, and this makes them overestimated by cp-formula, which is not ideal for a prestiger.

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My favorite grass prestiger right now is Bellossom.

I got one with RL/LB and i'm in love with it. Currently around 1350CP and eating some Rhydons, Vaporeons and Tyranitars.

Her attack animation is so cute and the fact that I can use LB beetween dodges is a blast.

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I have a Bellossom with this moveset, and I want to be able to use it, but I find that my wild-caught Venusaur with a slightly lower CP and VW/SoB does the job better. Perhaps it's a difference in my battling style.

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I like Electabuzz with TS/TB for prestiging against Gyarados. Three thunderbolts is usually enough to kill the Gyarados, and if the Gary has hydro pump, he will usually be dead before he ever gets a chance to use it.

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