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Top Attackers per Type (No Legacy Moves)

Hi there, I've made a list of all the attackers for every type that I want to get from this patch. Note: No legacy moves were considered. Any pokémon that I've forgot to consider? Enjoy.

BUG
Heracross - Struggle Bug / Megahorn
Scizor - Fury Cutter / X-Scissor
Pinsir - Bug Bite / X- Scissor

DARK
Houndoom - Snarl / Foul Play
Tyranitar - Bite / Crunch

DRAGON
Dragonite - Dragon Tail / Outrage
Kingdra - Dragon Breath / Outrage

ELECTR
Ampharos - Volt Switch / Thunder
Jolteon - Thunder Shock / Thunder

FAIRY
Granbull - Bite / Play Rough
Clefable - Zen Headbutt / Moonblast

FIGHT
Machamp - Counter / Close Combat
Heracross - Counter / Close Combat

FIRE
Flareon - Fire Spin / Overheat
Arcanine - Fire Fang / Fire Blast
Charizard - Fire Spin / Overheat

FLYING
Crobat - Air Slash / Air Cutter
Scyther - Air Slash / Aerial Ace

GHOST
Gengar - Hex / Shadow Ball

GRASS
Venusaur - Razor Leaf / Petal Blizzard

GROUND
Rhydon - Mud Slap / Earthquake
Golem - Mud Slap / Earthquake

ICE
Lapras - Frost Breath / Blizzard
Jynx - Frost Breath / Avalanche

NORMAL
Blissey - Pound / Hyper Beam
Porygon2 - Hidden Power Normal / Hyper Beam

POISON
Muk - Poison Jab / Gunk Shot
Nidoking - Poison Jab / Sludge Wave

PSYCHIC
Espeon - Confusion / Future Sight
Alakazam - Confusion / Future Sight
Alakazam - Psycho Cut / Future Sight

ROCK
Golem - Rock Throw / Stone Edge

STEEL
Scizor - Bullet Punch / Iron Head

WATER
Vaporeon - Water Gun / Hydro Pump

MIXED MOVESETS
Tyranitar - Bite / Stone Edge
Dragonite - Dragon Tail / Hurricane

NO STAB
Snorlax - Zen Headbutt / Hyper Beam
Gyarados - Dragon Tail / Hydro Pump
Gyarados - Dragon Tail / Outrage
Donphan - Counter / Earthquake
Ursaring - Counter / Hyperbeam
Ursaring - Counter / Close Combat

Asked by Di Torres8 years 2 months ago

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Clefable – Pound/Moonblast

Pound is a legacy move for Clefable.

Isn't Counter/Dynamic Punch the best moveset for Machamp? I also thought HB has stab for Ursaring and Snorlax.

Close Combat has way more dps than Dynamic Punch.

My "no stab" list means that at least one of the moves doesn't stab. Ursa and Snorlax stab with HB, but they don't with their fast moves, so they entered the list. I could also add the fairy types there, but since there's no fast fairy moves, there's no reason.

Is that so? I have a C/CC Machamp and was bummed it wasn't C/DP lol thx for making me feel better about it. Might even power it up. Lol ahh gotcha with the 2 stab moves.

DPS is only a measure of how much damage the move causes during its cooldown ... so it's not the full measure of how good a charge move actually performs. Dynamic Punch deals 180 damage for 100 energy, whereas Close Combat only deals 100 for the same energy.

All simulations show that Counter + Dynamic Punch outperforms Close Combat.

This list really needs to be updated because quite often the charge moves with the highest DPS come out performing substandard to other charge moves with higher DPE (Damage Per Energy). You need to factor in cycle DPS of the quick + charge move, not just look at which charge moves provide the highest DPS during their damage window. That's highly flawed.

Good point. Which other moves on the list do you think get outperformed by higher DPE moves?

Overall solid list but I strongly believe that venusaurs best attacking moveset is vine whip / solarbeam and psycho cut is the best psychic quick move. Alakazam and espeon are glass cannons and need quick fast moves for dodging - confusion is way too slow.

Why do you believe that this is the best moveset for Venusaur?

Good point about Psycho Cut. I will add a Alakazam Psycho Cut / Future Sight to the list.

Because I have a venusaur w vine whip and RL. RL is just too slow and harder to dodge with. Solarbeam has lower theoretical DPS but it does more damage. I'd rather take lower DPS for more damage because if you substitute the quick move DPS for the time difference of Petal blizzard and solar beam then SB comes out I believe. Using both, SB seems to pack more of a punch.

Got it.
I already have a Venusaur with Vine Whip / Solar Beam.
Will test them out when I get a Razor / Petal.

I like my FS/OH Charizard

Yeah, it's a good pick too.

Maybe Starmie with Water Gun + Hydro Pump

Vaporeon has over double the HP and only a little less attack than Starmie. And the moveset is the same... not worth it.

I was thinking Bubble/ Hydropump Poliwrath is quite good as an attacker too.

It looks like the list relies exclusively on DPS, right? In that case a few movesets may change, but still quite accurate. It's very handy. Thanks!

Piloswine with Avalanche will tear Dragonites a new bellybutton pretty easily. I used a 1300 cp one to prestige against a 2500 Dragonite and wished I had a lower cp Piloswine.

Thanks but sorry to say that this merely a very superficial simple "best DPS moveset" for those mons.. everyone already know them....
it doesn't take into account the EPS, damage each cycle of dodging and hitting etc...
after the latest update.. there are many mons with more than a good moveset.. many moves that are equally strong and have their pro and cons, depending on play style..

E.g.:
espeon ZH vs Conf, which I think ZH is equally good
Venu Solar vs PB are equal, Vine Whip vs RL also equal good
Alakazam Psycho cut vs Conf
Machamp CC vs DP
Ampharos VS vs CB, thunder vs Zap
And many more...

And for ice: Cloyster has much higher damage than Lapras
Water: Omastar is stronger than Vaporean, and Feraligatr has same damage as Vap
Grass: Vileplume and Victreebell has higher dmg than Venu (with their RL and SB)

My 2 cents

Why Omastar is stronger than Vaporeon?
He has 50 more DEF and 120 less STA.
In my opinion 120 STA > 50 DEF

Also, I've been seen some tests about DPE and EPS.
Will upgrade the list accordingly.

Also, Cloyster got nerfed.
His damage isn't so higher than Lapras anymore.
He got Avalanche, tho...

I don't understand why u can't check simple stats in this page..
Cloyster ATT is 186 while Lapras after nerf is 165 Jynx 223
Omastar ATT 207 (2 higher than Vaporean). And Starmie is highest water attacker with ATT 210..
your post is "highest Attacker each type".. obviously ur knowledge on PoGo is still shallow.. In current Metagame, DPS is not everything.. I think U need more gym battle and more Mons to understand it better..

This list is for best overall pokémons, not only DPS.
I value all stats.
Having 2 more ATK and 120 less STA isn't a good trade off. Vaporeon will have more damage output overall because he can endure more damage and generate more energy losing HP.

The flaw of this list is the movesets, because I considered only DPS and not DPE. I'm researching this now and will update the list soon.

Thanks for the input.