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Been farming a Swinub nest, and evolved 4 Piloswine.

I didn't get the optimal powder snow/avalanche I was looking for as a Dragonite counter.

However, I did get one Powder Snow/Bulldoze and one Ice Shard/Avalanche.

Either of these useful?

Asked by alevinemi8 years 3 months ago

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Ice Shard/Avalanche would not make much difference from Powder Snow/Avalanche. Both quick moves are not fast. Ice Shard has higher DPS but Powder Snow generates energy faster. Depending on the matchups, both movesets could KO opponents faster than each other.

As Pilowswine is basically only useful as Dragon slayer, that opponent is already known. (Dragonite)
Simulations show that Powder Snow >> Ice Shard.

You definitely want Powder Snow/Avalanche

Ice Shard/Avalanche would not make much difference from Powder Snow/Avalanche.

Cycle-Damage calculation for Attack says:
PS / AV = 100%
IS / AV = 99%

Everything should be fine with Ice Shard / Avalanche.

By the way: Cloyster with FB / AV is even better. Moveset deals 4% more damage than IS / AV, and 10% higher tankyness at almost identical ATT-Stat makes it better. Its high DEF is potion-efficient.
This makes Pilowswine a poor mans Cloyster IMO.

https://pokeassistant.com/battlesimulator
using default stats (lvl 30, IV0%)
no dodge:
Pilowswine PS/AV : undecided
Pilowswine IS/AV: Dragonite wins (40 HP left)

with dodge:
Pilowswine PS/AV : Pilowswine wins (81 HP left)
Pilowswine IS/AV: Pilowswine wins (47 HP left)

I have 6 Pilo

1PS+AV
2 PS+BD
1IS+BD
2 PS+SE

Best hands down vs Dragonite is PS/IS+AV, the others are serviceable, but not as effective.

PS/IS + BD may come in handy against some grass types with them having weakness to both ice and ground, but ground is weak to grass so depends on moveset (you would probably want to use vs poison / psychic moves grass mons)

I'm keeping all of mine for now incase a niche appears.

In fact, I keep almost all decentish mons with varying movesets / CP for my collection as you never know what you may need when prestiging a gym.

Only problem is I'm at 767/1000 storage so far, but hoping Niantic allow for more expansion in the future when I need it :)

How do you organize your PKM for quick access for battling/prestiging? Any name tricks? Niantic really needs to implement a folder system (could swipe right, opposite from the eggs hatching, and use that screen real estate...)

Each of my Pokemon (that I find useful in any way for att or def) I label with the following:

Moveset ie: Dragon Breath + Hyper Beam - DB+HB

I know which moves are good for either att or def by memory & experience so no need for any ATT or DEF labels, for me at least.

IV percentage: I put an A-, B-, C- or D- in based on initial appraisal, and if I need to know the IV % for evolve or power up, I will check at a convenient time and add this instead of the letter.

Some people put the individual values ie 15/14/10 etc but I never did this from the beginning and I don't fancy renaming hundreds of pokemon. Plus with any pokemon I am going to invest a lot of dust/candy into I will scrutinize its IV anyway, so I don't feel it needs that.

For prestiging, I sort by CP and scroll down to the value of the CP I am up against, and scroll down to see what lower CP mons will be best against the opponent.

So from the above, I know which mons have the best attacking moves, and I know mostly which are what types (still learning gen 2) and if I can't find one or it's not labelled, then is the time to identify any non labeled ones and label if they are suitable for the battle.

Lastly, whilst I remember most type advantages/disadvantages, I have this picture saved on my phone which I refer to if needs be. :)

Google images "pokemon go typing"

EDIT: Yes, pogo should give us swipe left and right to categorise pokemon.

And to work with that, I would like to see additional tags for pokemon apart from just favorite - I have to favourite all the pokemon I want to keep because one of my daughters likes to look through them and with her being only 6 years, there is a worry she will accidentally transfer. Then there is myself I need to worry about... ;D

They should give you an attacker tag, defender tag and maybe a collector tag. The favorite tag could remain as a DO NOT DELETE tag.

Certain symbols will bring your mons to the top (eg ~ + ?), then it will sort by alphabetical order. I know that "-" minus-sign does not work this way. I haven't tested the order, but say if you wanted 1400-1500 before 1300-1200, you would start it with a different prefix.

I suppose you could always us AAA or AAB.

PS/BD may be serviceable as a general prestiger (i.e. in to a Blissey, BD should be similar to A since both get STAB).

PS/A is the only moveset that you really want though - especially if you're looking to take down high CP Dragonites with it.

To supplement this:
Pitting a level 30 10/10/10 Piloswine versus a level 30 10/10/10 Blissey would yield the following results (all with pro-dodging, Blissey with P/DG):
PS/A: Piloswine wins in 86.5sec (with 1 HP left), overall DPS 8.80
IS/A: Piloswine dies in 85.3sec (Blissey at 13HP), overall DPS 8.75
PS/BD: Piloswine dies after 85sec (Blissey at 166HP), overall DPS 6.98

So actually I'm wrong above. The moveset with Bulldoze is useless. As the other person responded Ice Shard is actually very close to as good as Powder snow in this general (non-super effective) case.

However as per the other simulations PS was far superior to IS. I think the big difference may have come from a defender charge move being assumed right before IS would have killed it. That said, PS is still superior in my view, spamming charge moves seems better. Also probably heavily depends on your dodging strategy.