Hi guys,
I have been following this forum for quite some time from the sidelines and really appreciate the general atmosphere here. Now I decided to finally join you because I would like to know your opinion on the strange game element that Blissey is.
I am proud owner of a 2904 cp p/hb Blissey but find it very difficult to put her to good use.
At first I thought Blissey would be best used as a pioneer mon. In my neighbourhood the two relevant teams have rather stable territories. I believed putting Blissey in a gym that traditionally belongs to red territory could start a permanent hostile takeover of that gym location. Not so, because whenever i took down a red gym and put Blissey in, my esteemed teammates would infallibly put in two mons with higher cp (but worse quality, i.e. gyarados, rhydon, dragonite). This put Blissey on the bottom spot and made the gym impossible to prestige until Mr. Red came back to destroy this ill-fated level 3 gym.
I then tried to wait for a situation where another teammate brought down one of those frontier gyms and only put Blissey in once that gym had reached level 4 - 5, with Blissey not occupying the bottom position, thus making it possible for other teammates to prestige the gym. However, Blissey turned out to be a real magnet for attackers; looks as if everyone wants to know whether they can take her down. So gyms did not last long in these circumstances either.
At the end of the day, my plan to use her as a pioneer into enemy territory has failed miserably, so the only way to have her stay in a gym seems to be to find a mature (level 8 or 9) friendly gym and put her in there. But somehow i feel doing so does not do her justice - she ends up just being a better snorlax that way.
I would appreciate to hear your experiences with high level blisseys (meaning > cp 2850, one should not torture ones own teammates with anything lower in my opinion:-) and how to best use them.
Thanks and cheers
The best blissey moveset for defending is any quick move with DG.
But P/HB can destroy 2-4 mons that don't resist normal moves such as rock and steel type. And fighting the fight types would be a bad idea if they have counter or rock smash.
Blissey attacking kinda slow but worth the effort since you can mow down some pokemon with ease because of it's massive bulk.
But that just from my experience
I agree DG (with ZH) would be best, but I had to play the cards I was dealt. That said, I am not sure whether my experience would have been different with a zh/dg Blissey; the problem seemed rather fundamental to me.
Edit: So I understand you would use her as a an attacker. Might be a good idea given its bulk, but wouldn't that be rather pedestrian? I suppose everyone with a high level Blissey will have all relevant specialist attackers (electric, ice, grass, water) as well. But if time is not of the essence and one has enough max potions, she might indeed kill quite a few before kicking the bucket
She comes in handy when you are very low on revives and did not learned to dodge HP after the change :). Took longer, ofcourse, but was also a relief to not care at all to dodge for 2 vapes :).
I've also hoped to secure a gym with her and did not succed. I succeded in making two 30 lvl blue ones join their forces more often :d, aka every time I place her in the aforementioned gym.
I have a 2988 CP Blissey with P/DG, power her up as soon as gen2 released and when moves were slow she hold me a level 3 gym for 4 days in a row, was very happy and proud about the investment.
Of couse with recent changes she is not as near as good as those days, I just use her as a second "Snorlax" because I only have one maxed of them. In my area gym turnoever is pretty high so the "strategy" I use is to put her on the gym I know it would be attacked first when I am doing my gym runs, that way if I want to take 5 gyms for example and put her on gym1 she buys me time to do the rest of the gyms, probably there are few players under level 27/28 that can take her down so she still reduces the number of targets a lot.
The other option as you said is just put her on very high level gym like 7-8-9, but I feel it is not a good use because on that high gyms you normally only want a good place at the top and it is better to put Snorlax, Dragonite or Gyarados/Rhydon on them.
I used to always aim for top spot, but after satisying my financial needs I now go for quality, meaning I try to only put quality defenders in gyms to make them stronger as opposed to putting the top card on a house of it. Since I don't spoof, this means a lot of kms with my four snorlaxes and usually only vapes as fillers (I have four fully powered up wp vapes which thanks to niantic sadly are not the best vape defenders anymore). My rhydon and gyarados, even though having higher cp than the rest of the pack, are strictly for emergencies where I absolutely have to get into a very high level gym. Other than that, I don't aim for more than ten gyms so as to be able to provide constant quality to the team :-)
I like the term "pioneer mon"!
I've had similar issues putting in blissey first. Either players add additional blisseys thinking it will end up being a super gym and it just brings prestige to a standstill or put anything with a higher CP looking for protection. I don't really blame them but someone needs to take one for the team.
If you are dead set on taking territory with your blissey and it's a busy spot maybe take it down and leave it grey in hopes that the first mon in will be less than 2900(and your team) and you can hang out and prestige a bit before leaving.
In these situations, I'll often just put a low (~1400cp) mon into the gym figuring nobody is going to put a lower Blissey in. Just take one for the team and hope that others take advantage of it to prestige the gym up, and knowing I'll be the first one to leak out the bottom later when the alt account holders show up to take top spots away from teammates.
Looks as if you are the exception though. Which is ironic, because it is precisely this thinking that made me spend so many of my precious candies on this one: i wanted to have a Blissey which is so strong that putting in a lower cp mon (e.g. a 28xx vape or snorlax) would not feel like taking a hit for the team and still give presting possibilities to the next man. Unfortunately, the next man never seems to think this far. And now I have to walk a few extra 100 kms prior to putting another Blissey into the game...
It could be Blissey, it could be Snorlax, it really doesn't matter IMO...
Putting any mon into an area where 1 particular team dominates or it's their "territory" will, within a day lead to all the players there to tear it down. It could be level 10, etc...still doesn't matter...
Ultimately, all the people who play/work/live around that area go there daily...
If it's on your route or work, it's no big deal for you neither, but calculating the time to tear down a level 10 vs. for them to tear down your level 1 gym, you'd be wasting a lot more time/potions/revives.
Also, since all the high level people just expect to be in the gyms around there, they all come out and it will get restocked and filled to 10 very very fast...for my area, that's within a day or by level 7 by noon.
This is because free spots in level 9 gyms are rare and high level people have more mons than gyms to put them in so having a nice high level gym is desired by everyone on that team...
This is why for those areas, you will just waste more time than the other team since the 1st 7 mons can get a spot in < 5 minutes and that's split between 7 different trainers.
Blissey and ALL defenders were also massively nerfed after the fast moves were put back in place so she and all gyms are easier to take down now...
I had no trouble prestiging against my maxed 2900+ Blissey...
I think the best way to actually own a rival gym, if people are hardcore/dedicated enough is just take the gym to level 10 constantly...coordinate with 10 other players. Save all your max Blisseys and everyone (10 people) prestige to take it to 30k prestige...everyone put a Blissey. Do it multiple times a day if it's torn down, keep doing it and the other team may give up. Also, everyone have max item bags and if it's attack, have 2+ people represtige it while they are there and see who has a longer potion supply.
OR....
They will now start tearing all your gyms down and do the same to you...but it's very hard to coordinate I think.
Gyms are just too easy simply to tear down...
What you really have there is an attacking Blissey (kind of like having a defensive Alakazam). I realize that you, like everyone else, wanted your Blissey to be an impenetrable defensive wall that would generate free pokecoins in perpetuity, but there is no such Blissey, and if there were, it sure wouldn't have P/HB. Hyper beam, unlike some of the other monster one-bar charge moves, remains very easy to dodge, and pound, unlike Zen Headbutt, is no problem for the arguably best Blissey counters (fighting types).
So, using your own words, play the hand you were dealt, and try using this Blissey primarily as an attacker. And let us know how it goes. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Will try once i get it back. However, for whatever reason it gives me enormous and quite irrational pleasure to read during a fight that my attacks are very effective, so i seldom use generalist attackers. If Blissey feels different, i will keep her on the attacker roster, otherwise it will go back on guard duty.
