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Defensive value does nothing?

What is defensive value for? To my understanding there are only 2 important things. Your pokemon attack's dps and HP. And powering it up doesn't add strength to your attacks, just some HP. So if that is correct, CP value is also useless. Or am I completely wrong?

Asked by Rudlow8 years 8 months ago

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"DPS" is "damage per second"--defense speaks to the number of seconds you can remain in battle.

Pokmon in go have an invisible level and attack and defense stats, and a visible HP stat. The "CP" score aggregates these three stats based on a pokemon's level. The level of a pokemon, though invisible, can be deduced easily enough.

Basically, in this game, a pokemon's stats are each equal to its base value for that stat plus its IV, this sum for each stat then being multiplied by the corresponding CPM for it's level.

Raising a pokemon's level increases a pokemon's figured stats because it raises a pokemon's CPM.

Combat itself probably doesn't perform calculations using the CP stat, likely instead using the invisible attack and defense stats.

Hmm, ok, thank you. So it's not like I am attacking something that has 200hp with my vaporeon, which has an attack of 10 and it takes 20 hits to kill it? The hidden values are somehow taken into account?

You can think of CP as a good estimator of a pokemon's total raw potential for damage in combat, at least before the things of combat are taken into question, i.e., moves used, attacking and dodging performance, and effects like poison. That is because CP aggregates the sole damage stat with the two longevity stats.

It may be slightly deceiving in cases, as if a pokemon has a high attack the CP formula will weight it more heavily, and, as well, if a pokemon has a very high HP and very low defense or vice versa, the pokemon might not actually have too good longevity.

To me it still seems, that better moveset means more than higher cp, maybe that was I was trying to say. Thanks again for your replies.

My second reply on this thread wasn't a very good one, but, basically, to amend:

It depends on what you're all talking about. If you're saying "Forced to choose, I would rather have a 'Vaporeon with the right moves' rather than 'one with perfects IV's'", then yes, you might be right-ish. But that's drawing distinction in the intra-species level. If, however, you're saying that it's only the pokemon that are on the highest DPS chart that are useful, then you're drawing the wrong conclusion. I possibly should've expanded on the first part of my first comment, but basically higher "DPS" does not translate into all battle effectiveness, as your first pokemon doing 80% damage to the first pokemon it faces (and so doing damage at a rate of 10% opponent's health per sec) and then fainting is different from and less desirable than a pokemon that does 100% to that same first pokemon it faces in 12 seconds (and so at a slower rate) and managing to do some damage to the second pokemon (and so doing significantly more damage overall) before fainting.

In regard to your first response that yielded my second comment, Vaporeon's 10 damage attack doesn't necessarily translate into 10 damage. Against something of average defense it's likely the move does ~3~5 damage: you don't see most pokemon falling after only a few uses of a fast move, after all. One instance of Water Gun may be twice as powerful in theory as a "5" damage move, but we still don't know how the damaging formula translate the attack power of the target, the power of the move it is using, and the defense stat of the defender.

Thank You, I saw new post about best defensive pokemons and now I understand a bit more. Even though it is still unclear how some of the stuff calculated, but one important aspect makes a lot of sense now. Defending pokemon doesn't attack faster than 1.5sec. I still don't know the math behind defensive values. It is much easier to value HP for that matter or just the type of attack given the most popular or least popular pokemons. For that reason, I believe, Blastoise is not on best defensive pokemon's list. Cause it's difficult to evaluate defense stat for now.
So thanks again for your answers, that shone more light on how things work.

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