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Poliwrath with submission as good as hydro pump? Need some pro help!

Pump hits hard but is easy to dodge. Submission is hard to dodge. But I have no idea how many people actually dodge, and fight moves may get a buff for countering snorlax....Opinions on which is best? (I have a bubble/sub unupgraded)

Asked by redeyejedi8 years 6 months ago
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I think the general consensus is all 3 are good on defense. It's really all about Bubble.

My personal favorite to put on defense is Ice Punch b/c it covers almost every one of his weaknesses. Could throw an attacker off rolling in with a grass type, or Dragonite especially.

But none of them are bad. They're just different. One might trick one person, one might get another. But at the end of the day if someone really wants that gym they'll take it. So don't overthink it and pick the one with the highest IV's ;)

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Bubble + Submission is the best in gym defense
Mud Shot + Hydro Pump is the best in attacking gym

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Submission (despite having STAB) is bad against Poison and Psychic, which are the most common second types of Grass attackers.

Ice Punch is awesome on this guy (as a defense move, obviously), cause you can actually do something against Dragonites and Grass attackers.

Hydro Pump is a little bit better imo, because the damage is huge anyway and you can use your Poliwrath (if it has Bubble too) for both attack and gym defense ^^

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But doesn't the higher stab from the submission kinda even out the lower base damage, even if effective damage to poison/psychic? Math is not my thing

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Ice Punch (True DPS: 11.71) * 1.25 (Super Effective Bonus) = 14,63 DPS

Submission (True DPS: 16.19) * 0.80 (Not Effective Penalty) = 12,95 DPS

Ice Punch ends up being better in this specific situation.

Edit: to be honest, I expected a bigger advantage in Ice Punch favor lol, but I think that's why all the 3 defensive movesets with Bubble are rated as A.

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Awesome, thank you very much! Kinda like keeping him pure water/fighting type anyway. Makes me feel even better now knowing the diff is miniscule. Name will be BubbaThump

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icepunch 3.5 CD
submission 2.1 CD
consider bubble already has a long CD, the least thing u want is to slow it down even more

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