Snorlax Lick / Earthquake
I got hatched one Snorlax with the worst possible moveset. Now i am trying to convince myself, that it is quite useable anyway:
When the talk here comes to countering snorlax, you can regularely read two attackers: Alakazam and Rhydon. Lick is super effective into Alakazam and Earthquake is super effective into Rhydon.
My snorlax may not dish out so much damage to any attacker, but just to read "super effective" on the wrong side of the screen can be annoying for attackers.
That's why i really like this guy too, and after having walked for enough candy for level 30 / 2800 CP, i will surely place him regularely.
I am looking forward to read your comments.
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Both my Snorlaxes, both hatched, both lick/eq :). Slow as attacker (even the one at level 32.5) but top CP for gym placements.
On attack I used to put him in 6th position in case something goes wrong and I need it to finish 1 or 2 mons in lvl 9-10 gyms. Now that I have two HP vapes, one of them goes as backup.
I'm glad he can became usefull when tyranitar will appear.
Obviously a ZH/BS with high ivs is ideal but who knows how long you would have to wait for that. A high CP Snorlax with any move set will be a strong defender from its high HP and defence stats. He is absolutely usable in gyms!
I know I would power up any Snorlax from an egg whatever the move set as I know it would come with decent ivs. Sadly I am still yet to hatch one :/
I was lucky though as my first wild Snorlax came with 91% ivs. Not an ideal move set but he is still a great defender. Been sitting in 2nd or 3rd spot of a level 10 gym for 2 weeks now. No regrets in powering him up.
First of all, it never hurts to hatch a Snorlax - Snorlax candies are one of the rarest!
Secondly, Snorlax's defense value largely lies on his deterring potential attackers who wouldn't spend the time to beat a Snorlax. So they don't even care about the move set! For those who are determined to take down your gym, move set won't stop them.
So move set doesn't matter? It does matter, but in higher level gyms where the difference between moves could affect the attacker's success chance of soloing the gym. Normally, what matters more is CP - to get yourself a higher place!
Snorlax L/EQ is a little worse than Vaporeon Hydropump for defense
Would you power a Vaporeon with HP for defense assuming eeve candies were very precious?
If you start powering a Lick/EQ Snorlax it means you will power any Snorlax 80%+ lvl20+. Plus some lower lvl/IV if ZH/BS.
You will end up having way too many Snorlax to power up compared to candies rarity. You will regret having powering up a L/EQ soon or later for sure.
I would power it only if 100%IV
Snorlax L/EQ is a little worse than Vaporeon Hydropump for defense
Would you power a Vaporeon with HP for defense assuming eeve candies were very precious?
Vaporeon has a lower defensive stat and is easyer to kill due to quality-attackers with stab and very effective. In praxis, it takes double time to kill snorlax compared with vaporeon.
If you start powering a Lick/EQ Snorlax it means you will power any Snorlax 80%+ lvl20+. Plus some lower lvl/IV if ZH/BS.
Indeed, you are right. I would do so, at least until i have 5 or 6. I have no lapras, and only one dragonite, who has got an offensive moveset. So i appreciate and welcome every high-iv-snorlax as a member of my defense-team
You will end up having way too many Snorlax to power up compared to candies rarity. You will regret having powering up a L/EQ soon or later for sure.
Not sure. At the moment, i have 3 Snorlax, all hatched, one powered up to 30, one (the guy we are talking about) will be ready at 30 tomorrow, and one sticking in a gym for months that will collect his candy if i get him back one day.
I would power it only if 100%IV
Ok, you seem to have better access to snorlax than me. I am really glad to have hatched three of them, and i walk with them and i power them up.
I thank you for your point of view nevertheless!
But vaporeon has double stab and higher attack stat.
Im not talking about time alone but about damages dealt beofore being killed. Yes Snorlax lasts longer than vaporeon (not 2x though, like 1,5x) but makes no damages with this moveset.
This snorlax lvl 30 is like a lvl 20 0% IV Chansey with ZH/HB in term of time to kill and deal only 100% more damages
Up to you, but if you want to power it anyway, no need to ask for advice.
Last point : you wont be able to power up to max more than 2/3 Snorlax and soon or later lvl 30 2800CP will be hardly usable (already true in my area, 2800 CP means last one in gyms) so you need to power him above lvl 30 or giving up on him.
Im sure in 2 months you will have 2 Snorlaxes better than this one and no candies.
I found those fatty guys time to time in the Wild. But all the one I catched were unusable except as prestigers.
I hatched 5 out of 1600eggs. Still waiting for ZH/BSorHB.
I powered 3 of them : 87% ZH/EQ (lvl33) 84 ZH/EQ (lvl30) and 96% Lick/BS (lvl 35). I regret powering the 2nd one. He was the 1st one I hatched. Now keeping all the candies for a better one (40 candies atm)
Damage done before killed is something like
Att x Def x Sta x Moveset x Stab x super effective.
The first part of this equation (assuming 100% IV) leads to:
Vaporeon: 220 x 192 x 275 =11.606.000
Snorlax: 205 x 205 x 335 = 14.078.375
Snorlax leads by 21%. Taking into account stab:
Vap has stab when attacking and stab defending assuming grass attacker
Snorlax with bad moveset has no stab attacking, and no stab defending.
So snorlax still leads by 21%.
Now only thing left are move dps.
Water gun is a fast, weak quick attack defending.
Lick is a fast, weak quick attack defending.
no difference till now.
Compare charged attack is more difficult, because there are more sets of vap and there is an issue with dodging.
Generally i would assume, that - at maximum - a good charged attack on vap could match up with these 21%, not getting over it.
Conclusion: Even taking account damage delt until faints, the worst snorlax is still as good as the best vaporeon.
Taking killing time into account, snorlax has always been better.
Taking CPs into account, snorlax is way better.
Up to you, but if you want to power it anyway, no need to ask for advice.
You are right, so i did not feel really good about putting my story into q&a-section. At least i did not ask for advice, merely for comments.
ast point : you wont be able to power up to max more than 2/3 Snorlax and soon or later lvl 30 2800CP will be hardly usable (already true in my area, 2800 CP means last one in gyms) so you need to power him above lvl 30 or giving up on him.
I am lucky to play in a more rural region, contest is not as hard here.
Hi Bruno, how are you bro?. Well man, all Snorlaxes are very annoying to face. The best points of a Lick/EQ Snorlax are:
1 - As you said, Lick for Alakazam and EQ for Rhydon/Golem;
2 - Lick can charge EQ fast;
3 - EQ is harder than HB to dodge;
4 - Tyranitar is coming.
Besides this, a Snorlax is a Snorlax and with his high stats and CP you can take a good spot in any gym.
I have one Zen/BS 93.3% 3000+ and now i am working in a Lick/BS 82.2% one to reach 3000+ too. Few time ago i just caught another one Lick/EQ 73.3% IVs and 2100+ already. He will be my next Snorlax to build if i dont catch/hatch a better one. To finish, i faced one Lick/EQ and still annoying and better than almost any other defender.
So I have two Snorlax:
One hatched, L/EQ, powered up to level 25 (before I thought about movesets etc.), 2346CP, 84-87% IV
One found, ZH/HB, level 21, 1812CP, 29-31% IV
I've been regretting powering up my first Snorlax but maybe I shouldn't, especially given EQ being super effective against Rhydon. I am hesitant to power him up any more though, and certainly hesitant to power up the other one, despite the moveset, because of its bad IV's and consequent relatively low CP. I'm waiting for something better to come along :-)
it surely has its advantages. but you get no STAB at all and im pretty sure lick is far inferior to zen headbutt on defense side a few matchups.
i think, and correct me if im wrong here, but the best movesets for snorlax go as such
offense- lick and hyper beam (lick due to the high energy output each time you hit it with quick cooldown, though zen headbutt still good for offense)
defense- zen headbutt and body slam. (body slam much harder to dodge over hyperbeam if im correct)
