There we have it, groudon will be the next legendary raid.
Source: https://pokemongolive.com/en/post/legendary-groudon
How will your line up look like? Mine will be:
Gyarados (WF+HP)
Gyarados (WF+HP)
Vaporeon (WG+HP)
Vaporeon (WG+HP)
Vaporeon (WG+AT)
Vaporeon (WG+AT)
2 Gyarados, 2 Dragonite, 2 Exeggutor are my best DPSers for it currently. Against Fire Blast I'll swap the Exeggutors for 1 Dragonite and 1 Vaporeon. Might be worth maxing a third Dragonite for this to be honest since it's pretty high up in the DPS rankings and has good resistances for the charge moves.
For fans of Ho-Oh: Solar Beam Ho-Oh is overall number 2 Groudon counter. A bit slower than the best DPS options but has the best TDO.
Dragonite's performance seems to depend on whether it reaches a breakpoint but I haven't checked where that is yet. At L40, Dragonite is better, at L30, Vaporeon is better. Exeggutor is better than Vaporeon against non-FB movesets while Vaporeon is better against FB.
EDIT: Seems the Dragonite breakpoint is level 34.5 with 15 attack.
I will go:
Exeggutor BS/SoB lvl 35,5 98%
Gyarados K/HP lvl 35,5 96%
Gyarados K/HP lvl 31,5 93%
Victrebeel RL/SoB lvl 31,5 93%
Victrebeel RL/SoB lvl 31,5 93%
Vaporeon WG/HP lvl 35,5 84%
All have 15 attack.
Other options would include two C/SoB Exeggutor or two other Vaporeon WG/HP, all at lvl 31,5 and with IVs around 80%. Will see if Victrebeel is a good choice and maybe replace them with one of those. Two maxed Dragonites are in the running too
Against Fire Blast, you should bring in those Vaporeons and Dragonites to replace the grass mons that will get OHKO'd or dodgebugged. And against Solar Beam the Vaporeon should get replaced with a Dragonite.
Groudon seems like an interesting boss to fight looking at sims, the top counters list changes so much depending on the moveset.
For those of you interested, a 15A Gyarados will hit waterfall breakpoint already at level 32.5. For those of you who don't know how to access breakpoint calculators, you can always use this one from the website of game press:
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/breakpoint-calculator#/
However, please keep in mind that the calculator of game press probably still uses pre-nerf statistics for Groudon, such that outcomes may be skewed.
For those interested, I can look up the correct outcomes if necessary.
Gyarados (waterfall breakpoint - post-nerf outcome)
Great, TY! I also consider powering up one Venusaur with VW, comes very close to Exegg on Pokebattler and have double resistance against Grass. Do you have the break point for this as well (I can't get the calculator on Gamepress to work)
PS! I now have two Exeggs at lev 35 :) 93 and 96% with14A, ty
Don't worry about it buddy. I'm sitting in a bus for 6 more hours, got currently not much to do. Besides, it provides a nice overview to my self too. So feel free to ask anything what you want.
Breakpoint for vine whip Venusaur with 14&15A is 25.5. Please note that weather effects are excluded. Figurs would look a little bit different in that case. Figure below is weather excluded:
I'm on my way to cairo and hopefully I'm able to catch some sleep in a bit.
Breakpoint for ZH Exeggcutor with 15A is 28 weather excluded. Weather included is about the same, so shouldn't need to worry about that too much.
You can try my own calculator of course, but for some reason it doesn't seem to work for others: http://jop.space/powerUp/#!/?defender=RAIKOU&level=T5&attacker=MEWTWO&move=PSYCHO_CUT_FAST
Picture below is for ZH Exeggcutor:
Did 3 of them from 5:03pm to 5:40 pm... Cloudy: 2 fire blasts and 1 solar beam. Each time took us about 155 secs and 10 or 11 each battle. 4 Water Gyarados, Vaporeon, Omastar for the fire. Dragonites and a Lugia for Solar...guess I'll research this thread after typing this and see what is best for Solar
May I present this beauty.... I had barely realized there was another legendary after checking Discord and was able to join a group at a sponsored gym. I had no time to research anything, didn't want to ask questions like a noob, so I went with the suggested attackers, 2 gyarados and 4 D'nite, who fainted near the end (and I almost along with them... but I was either able to rejoin at the last second or it didn't matter). And yes, a crappy unstable Internet connection added to the excitement....
There were 10 of us, level 27-40 (I'm 39). He had SB, but it was cloudy. His stats: CP 2289, 12/13/14 (87%). My second legendary!
Awesome, glad you caught it. I know I'm always really glad to get my first of each kind. The crowd I was with had high level players going around trying to get them all...but I had a 45 min window I could raid. I did start demanding we separate into teams...they rolled 17 against one right before I got there. Having said that, fighting in enemy gyms, plus good players battling...10 balls, 9 balls, 9 balls. I actually only secured the first, a 2299; missed 2269; then missed a 2300.
