Yesterday, my 1900 CP wonder Venusaur with VW/PB defeated a 2700 CP Vaporeon, as usual, with its health ending in the red.
The difference is that:
1. RL/Solar is now a more powerful moveset on Venusaur.
2. Exeggutor can now learn BS as a quick move.
3. My 2100 CP wonder Exeggutor with Conf/Solar is less available as backup, being used to attack Blissey until I have enough candy to power up my Count/DP Machamp (and perhaps even after then).
In my local gym meta, Vaporeon is the fourth most common defender, behind Dragonite, Gyarados and Snorlax, but ahead of Exeggutor and Rhydon. Blissey is almost as common as Dragonite, while Tyranitar is almost as common as Rhydon. As for spawns, Exeggcute is fairly common (I have over 500 candy), while Bulbasaur is quite rare (I have 110 candy, mostly from starter event, and a spare wonder).
Is my Venusaur still good enough? Or should I try:
1. Acquiring a wonder Venusaur with RL/Solar (if I find a Bulbasaur nest on SGPokeMap)?
2. Acquiring a wonder Exeggutor with BS/SB?
3. Powering up my second wonder Exeggutor with Conf/Solar? It is currently 1600 CP, so too weak to take on high-level Vaporeons, and even if powered up, not an ideal Vaporeon counter compared to Exeggutor with SB/BS or Venusaur with RL/SB?
Unfortunately, my Jolteons are usually occupied with Gyarados, while my three Dragonites all have SW.
I wouldn't say RL is better than VW. If you like to dodge, VW is better. A double grass exeggutor is prob better but a I've never tried one before.
I've powered up my VW/SoB venusaur past level 30 and am holding off from more power ups until PvP is implemented and the better moveset is decided. Sitting on a high IV RL/SoB in case.
Edit: see you have petal blizzard. It's still a solid moveset and it's ur call if u wanna power up the RL one. Need to be sure you like RL as a quick move however.
I'm not sure I understand your question. You have a 1900 double grass venusaur. They seems useful for prestige against high Vaporeons and good at taking down gyms. My 2150 VW/PB does well (takes down two 2600 vapes).
I can understand you wanting another grass attacker. Exeggutor with solar beam and either current quick move is great against vaporeon. Getting another grass attacker is almost never a bad idea.
Are you asking about powering up your current Venusaur as opposed to evolving a new one (I'm assuming a lvl 20 hatch)? If so, you could, although I would prefer a level 30 70% IV Venusaur over a level 20 85% one, since it is only an attacker and likely not worth the dust to power up the lower level one.
If you are short on dust, I would power up a solar beam exeggutor over a petal blizzard venusaur. If dust isn't an issue, I don't see how your exeggutor impacts your venusaur.
Grass attackers without poison typing are also better for attacking Rhydon, although this seems a minor concern in your gym scene.
Hope this helps. If not, please clarify what your are asking and what resources are limiting you.
How would you rank the following four as Vaporeon counters, and more importantly, how great is the difference between them?
1. Venusaur with VW/PB
2. Venusaur with VW/Solar
3. Exeggutor with BS/Solar
4. Exeggutor with Conf/Solar
Bulbasaur candy is my main resource constraint, but the gap between 1 and 2 is huge, I will throw Pinaps at every Bulbasaur I see and actually travel to the nearest Bulbasaur nest that appears on SGPokeMap.
If the gap between 1 and 2 is small, then I will leave my Venusaur alone.
If 3 is better than 4, I will hunt Exeggcutes until I can acquire a wonder Exeggutor with SB/Solar.
If 4 is similar to (or even better than 3), then I will power up my second wonder Exeggutor Conf/Solar.
Current stardust count is 120k, with an expected 22k to be spent on my Count/DP Machamp (as candy becomes available). Waiting for a wonder Poliwrath with RS/DP and maybe a wonder Flareon with FS/OH. I do earn stardust quite quickly, though.
Just a few simulations on pokebattler assuming no dodging, there isn't much difference between the two venusaur (PB and SoB).
For exeggutor against vaporeon, bullet seed does do noticably better than the psychic quick moves. Also, bullet seed with seed bomb was on par with extrasensory and solar beam.
Exeggutor with bullet seed/solar beam outperforms the venusaur. Other exeggutor are on par with venusaur.
To get a more accurate and personal analysis use the pokebattler site and enter your own dodging style and pokemon.
If you are trying to train up a gym, venusaur is preferred. I looked at level 30 attackers. At level 30, venusaur has a much lower CP than the egg man.
I suggest giving Tangela a try. Both SoB or power whip/grass knot is better than pb IMO, as long as you have vw as the quick attack. My 1900 cp Tangela performs as well as my 2200 cp vw/pb Venusaur. Even a 1200 cp one can take out any Vape as long as you dont eat a hp. It also helps that Tangela is a pure grass type. I would invest in one of those before another Venusaur.
Are you not dodging or something? I have a 1995 Venusaur with Vine Whip + Sludge Bomb, an inferior moveset and that still takes down 2 Vaporeons around 25-2700 CP.
Even if Confusion + Solar Beam isn't the best moveset against Vaporeon (idk if that's actually true) the difference isn't that big between it and whatever the best moveset is.
Confusion + Solar Beam is still a really strong moveset that's also versatile, so you shouldn't feel like it isn't worth powering just because some website's telling you it's a few percentage points lower in effectiveness that you wouldn't notice.
I'd power up one or both of the Exeggutors since you have plenty of candies, whereas Venusaur you might want to try for a different moveset in the future, and powering up would prevent that or slow down your progress, whereas powering up the Exeggutor wouldn't - after powering up your current one to level 30, you'd still have enough to evolve more 8 Exeggutors if you still wanted to try for Bullet Seed + Solar Beam.
