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Why is nidoking not the strongest bug attack pokemon?

He has the bug moves, the strongest DPS bug move (megahorn) and a weak one "bug cutter.
I know he has no stab, but has way higher cp then any other bug pokemon, doesnt he do more damage (and tankier) then other "strong" bug pokemon (like venomoth, scyther etc?)

Asked by Er-humo8 years 6 months ago

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bug bite does more dps than fury cutter and venomoth also has stab which makes up for the 32 higher attack stat nidoking has over venomoth.

max cp is irrelevant to dps. the only stat that matters when it comes to dps is attack. two pokemon can have different cps but do the same dps due to having the same attack stat and moves for example a cloyster with 0 attack IV will have the same attack stat as a lapras with 10 attack IV (196), so they will have the same dps if using the same moves, but the lapras will have a higher cp because of it's much higher stamina stat.

max cp does however affect total damage done because a pokemon with higher survivability will live longer and therefore be able to use more attacks before fainting, but that's not what the highest dps list is showing.

Thank u for the long reply!

Y i understand, but doesn't the 32 higher attack and the better charge attack ( 5 more dps with stab calculated) make up for that? a little bit (for the stab and higher damage from bugbite).
Bugbite does 13.3 DPS (with stab)
Bugbuzz does 19.1 (with stab)
Fury cutter does 10.0 DPS (without stab)
Mega horn does 25.6 (without stab)

Doesn't the 32 attack that nidoking has more and the 6.5 on the charge attack "counter the" 3.3 DPS from the quickmove?
I dont know how 32 more attack helps in the equation

I would at least think its about even, and that nidoking is overall a better bug attacker (mabye not the highest dps), but this is an other matter. Just curious if his dps in bug damage is higher or not then venomoth

Thx again for those answering :)

I hope you're right, as I just got a Nidoking with those exact moves.

Stab is really important, you are better off using a stronger pokemon that hits neutral then using a non stab move that hits super effective

Isn't STAB neutral damage just the same as non-STAB super effective?
The only diference is that you have STAB bonus in every matchup whilst super effective is only in certain matchups (what doesn't make a diference at all, because we have the possibility to choose pokemon)

the 32 extra attack is already factored into the true dps number. 204 attack compared to 172 attack is only 18.6% more attack, while bug bite does almost 50% more dps than fury cutter before taking into account STAB.

basic attacks make up most of your damage so the dps difference between them is more important than the dps difference between charge attacks.

basic but not actual example. u spend 40 seconds attacking, 30s using quick attacks and 10s using charge. 3.3 extra dps for 30s = 99 more damage bug bite does compared to fury cutter.

6.5 extra dps = 65 extra damage megahorn does compared to bug buzz . 99 - 65 = 34 extra damage overall.

"the 32 extra attack is already factored into the true dps number." did not know this, thank you for the explanation!
Then i understand the whole thing now :)

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