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What should we invest on for TM usage versus possible changes

I have a ton of TMs. At some point I will have to use them on things just to clear some degree of space. I want to bank at least 30 of each kind (about the number I would have likely used easily at the gen2 release between new mons and old mons with major changes). Here is what I'm looking at doing now to keep some bag space:

Bite on Ttar: Bite is very similar to DB on Dragons. With more dark to come I could see this move going legacy in the same way. Some combos of dark charge moves could make very good combos especially somewhat fast ones (crunch isn't fast). Likewise, crunch on SE could benefit from Ttar getting a stronger dark fast move, or any rock move. I do not think the rock quick move will happen but still.

Any others that you guys think may be reasonable places to spend these if you have no other choice?

Asked by JHVS7 years 11 months ago
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I'm trying to get as many movesets with STAB moves with short cooldowns. I am guessing moves with short cooldowns may be advantages when PvP is released to allow for better dodging. At least on Pokémon that aren't my number one for that species. One example: I fast TM'd a hitmonlee from rock smash -> low kick

Also me personally I'd keep more charge TMs than fast TMs because, as we all have experienced, charge TMs don't always give the desired move first "FFFFUUUUUUUU-"

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If it were to be released, what would you even expect from it, it'd just be 2 players mashing their screens as fast as possible with no depth. There is almost no strategy compared to the actual games. Not sure why anyone would want that

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This entire website is a massive resource. It literally gives letter grades to movesets so anyone without any knowledge can understand it. Moreover, on the more popular mons the movesets are explained.

30+ of each TM isn't that uncommon among players spending money on the game. There's quite a bit in my area.

The difference is they aren't in a quandary as how to best use it. Finding the A-grade movesets for pokemon isn't rocket science. In fact you can do it all here. You know how to ask a question on the Q&A so just search your fave pokemon and find his best moveset. Change accordingly if you want.

Or suck it up and save em. That's what I'm doing. I changed the mons I wanted to change and am saving the rest. Maybe spend some money on bag upgrades instead of raid passes. lol

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You are missing what I am asking, or maybe I worded my question poorly.

I'm well versed in what I want for what I use. All of those mons-all of them and then some-have been TMed. I'm looking for some niche examples of things I should use these on because I have run out of the more obvious places to use them.

Pokemon bag maxed.
Item bag maxed.
300 rare candies
another 300 placed on legendaries but either used or not used.

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Well use em or lose em. I had a bucket of rare candy so I started using it for mons I'll eventually upgrade. Blissey, Zapdos, Ttar...candy you know is useful. If you convert rare candy to a specific candy it frees up your items. If you don't? Well then you're stuck.

If you have more TMs than you can use then trash em. I have 1500 item storage and have no problem at all. This includes around 750 pokeballs. So maybe you need to reprioritize what you keep. There's no need to have more than 100 revive/max revive at any one time as you get em as fast as you use em.

If 300 rare candies is a problem, commit em to something. You obviously play enough to make a good choice. If ya can't effectively delegate your items then you're maxed out at the item count. So it's just prioritizing you bag.

I for one don't need to ask anyone what to do with rare candy or TMs. I think you'll figure it out on your own too. My guess is you're saving too much of something other than candy and TMs.

Maybe tell us your entire near-maxed out bag contents and we can probably help you get rid of some dead weight so you can keep what you want. I can't fathom maxing out 1500 items and not knowing what to get rid of. At 1500 items it's hoarding. Yeah, you want them all, but you don't need them all.

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I fully admit to being a hoarder for this stuff.

Part of it is a necessity though.

I go to the coast on about every other weekend and I let my kids throw balls at whatever they want. This means I need a strong stockpile of balls (gyms are non existent in our main hunting area down there so you have to bring what you will use).

Right now my bag is:

1451/1500 items

13 potions
7 super potions
3 hyper potions
52 max potions
35 revives
30 max revives
1 lucky egg
31 fTMs
13cTMs
298 rare candies
9 raid passes
16 poke balls
64 great balls
507 ultra balls
3 lure modules
50 razz berries (my normal cap)
50 pinap berries (my normal cap)
225 Golden razz berries
8 sun stones
5 kings rocks
2 metal coats
7 dragon scales
5 upgrades

Now, I think I could get away with 300 ultras max on the weekends I'm talking about. The other balls, I throw all of them away en masse whenver I get close to full. The smaller potions and revives I also usually keep in much lower quantities but with this event I have tried to keep them around to save on the max revives and max potions since I am doing so many raids a day. Usually I have near zero of any of them unless I am planning a gym run.

FOr common mons and their candies that we would usually throw rare candies at, I have:

139 Dratini candy with 12 Dragons. 9 of those Dragons are at lv 30. The other 3 Already have great movesets so I doubt I really need more as some come naturally and he may well be a raid boss.

135 Tyranitar candies. I also have 12 Tyranitar. 5 are fully powered and I could definitely make a case to put some here for future powering up. However we raid these things well and I feel like my candy amount already surpasses my need to power up more.

For all 3 legendary birds, I have one fully powered, and some degreee of candy for each (Zap-24, Artic-18, Moltres-30). I think I may pile some on to Zap depending on how many more I catch before the end. He is the only one of the three I think I may want two of. I fought a Lugia with HP with mine the other day and it was an absolute murder compared to other available options.

One thing I didn't mention is that in the case of many "good" mons I am between 300-2K candies so in terms of other good places to throw them I really have very few.

Thanks.

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If I were you I would defanitly just throw some rare candy at zapdos (just because in my opinion he's the most useful legendary). The walking distance when you buddy a legendary is rediculous, their defanitly the smartest mons to use your rare candy on.

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Whoa, that's a ton of ultra balls- Too many! I know they can be hard to part with, but that's killing your bag space.

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I'm sitting on 540 dratini candies because I don't have use for a L20 Dragonite and haven't caught a high IV, high level dratini for awhile.

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You have a ton of berries. Throw out 200 of them. Now I only play 1-2 hours a day (okay for my understanding that is a lot) but if I reach 50 berries TOTAL, something is off.
And you have the ultra balls, what do you need all those berries for^^

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(to answer all of the above)

I had 600 something ultra balls and ran out during the rock event. Partly because I had to play it at the out of town place with no real stops, and partly because I went nuts and caught everything. All other balls I keep 30ish of and run through in a day and then toss before my next morning stop run.

I can probably make due with 200 ultras and feel fine about it but it is worth noting that such a count would have been disastrous for me in the past. But point taken, that is a place I can cut.

The berries can definitely be cut. I usually builr them a little today (prior to the weekend) to remote feed since I'm stuck out of town. Plus, I do like to keep some pinaps and razzes for good wild catches on hand...but I think 25 of each would do fine. I have goldens for truly desirable catches now so maybe just 3 or so razzes is all that I need.

It just feels weird to throw away golden razzes though. I want to wait and see how my store bears out with no 5* raids before deciding on a good stockpile number. I could never have built a pile like that with 4* raids.

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Usually if there's a good question on here the community waits to see how JHVS is going to respond. His knowledge of this sight and how to optimize your pogo play is the gold standard of press' Q&A. I think he's very sure of his bag and how he chooses to prioritize it. He KNOWS what he wants to get rid of. Clearly he's run out of the obvious and the less obvious options for getting rid of tm's and is reaching out for something creative that he may have missed.
Unfortunately my knowledge outside of current game play in pogo is way too weak. I had no idea what we were in store for move-wise or Pokémon-wise when gen 2 came out and I'm just as in the dark w/ gen 3s imminent arrival.

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So you saying FTM all iron tails on ttar?

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I am. I have no idea if it will be a waste or not but I can at least find some reasoning for it. I think DT for Dragonite may fit this reasoning too but I also think he is likely to become raidable soon and I already have more dragons powered up than I need and there are more dragon types coming up.

For example: As fast moves go if we had these options prior to gen 2 I would have made quite a few Machamps with KC (if I had as many then as I do now).

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I agree that bite will become legacy and I have done the same, I have used FTMs on the Ttars that I haven't even leveled up (if they had iron tail) just in case so I can mix and match it bite becomes legacy

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TM all perfect IV mon to have optimal moveset.

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I did, because it made me happy to see a perfect mon with the perfect moveset. Not powered up, but a perfect display piece. Did this on a 68cp, 100%IV Magcargo, with double rock moveset.

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Yeah, I've just about completed this project as well. Torn if I should teach my 100 IV raticate "quick attack." Bite might turn out to useful. cracks me up to even be thinking at this level...

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What are your input on bugs ?? For mewtwo and Celebi

My area has many players and glass cannons makes a lot o sense since I seldom use more than 3-4 pokemons on legendary raids.

I've got a 98% scizor with double bug (furry cutter) pwd up to lvl 30.

I've caught a 87% pinsir on lvl 30(!) with bug bite and vice grip.

Is it worth TMing vice grip; putting all eggs in a x-scissor basket + the risk of it getting downgraded. Or should I go for a double bug in case pinsir looses the double typ bug move combo?

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I've used many TMs synergizing my Scizors, however, at the most I would use a FTM on a high level+IV Pinsir. I would save charge TMs to possibly change a TT from B/SE to B/C then possibly back to B/SE...if Mewtwo is really that intense+tough to catch

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I have a double bug Scizor at 36. He is a ton of fun and should be great for Celebi. He should be good or very good for MewTwo but I feel like that will be the case if you are often in raids with more people than some of the smaller groups folks have to be in for other areas.

Unlike Scizor who resists the psychic (fast and charge), Normal (charge), and fairy (charge), Pinsir doesn't resist any of that. So if Celebi keeps the same moves Scizor will be loads better for her even though they both are listed as elite counters for her. Their quick moves are very comparable and both are great. I think that if, like me, you are just lousy with TMs (or going to be soon) Pinsir could be a fine place to use one. Since yours is already powered and a whole group of 6 Scizor with bug moves probably isn't in the cards, I could see doing it. Sure.

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Update: you inspired me. Totally wild caught, one of my best wild catches. I used a fTM on him to get this

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by I3L4zE 7 years 11 months ago

With my unneeded TMs I've been TMing extra copies of useful species with high IVs (mostly 96-100% IV level 20 evolved hatches) in case any of those moves become legacy, or get a buff. Kept a couple different moveset combinations for some, if I have a handful of extra copies of that species.

I've made sure to evolve all useful hatches, and give them either the ideal moveset, or if I already trained individuals with the ideal moveset then I'll go for a different set that may become legacy/meta-useful in the future.

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I also have way to many fast TMs, and I have used them on mons that most people wouldn't think arent that useful because I will always have enough. I also feel like I have all the best movesets on the best mons already so I had to get creative. Here are some mons I used TMs on that most people probably wouldn't!

Poliwrath - FTM for double fighting
Slowbro - FTM for Confusion
Pilsowine - FTM for ice shard
Hounddoom - FTM for double dark
Cloyster - FTM to get frost breath

All of these mons were pretty high level wise usually between level 27 to 30 and they also had good IVs.

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