I think if they decide to do a re-release it will likely be in the form of Shiny Rayquaza or Shiny Mewtwo, with Shiny Mewtwo seeming much more likely. Latios and Latias could also have potential as a shiny release, however I don't think that would make much sense and be more so random. On the other hand, if they continue with the theme of Gen 4 Legendaries (which I do believe is a much bigger possibility) I agree with most others that think either Regigigas or Heatran will be next up. However, I personally think Dialga would make the most sense since we already have introduced Giratina (the third and final Pokemon of the Creation Trio) and have yet to introduce the first 2 in which Dialga is the first listed in the Pokedex. Also New Year's Eve/New Year's Day is coming up and what other Pokemon would make more sense to celebrate a time in which we celebrate specifically for the said TIME itself because Dialga is the controller of Time in the lore of Pokemon.
P.S. Those who do not celebrate the specific day(s) mentioned above may have an alternate form of the same type of celebration around the same date as well or at least most likely understand that it IS celebrated by an abundance of people all across the world.
Edit: I had previously included Darkrai as one of my top 2 possibilities competing with the chance of Dialga being next up, however for some reason forgot about him until I was reminded just now from "milkz" in the comment section. The possibility must've been so obvious and possible that I had almost thought it already had happened or something by accident lol but Darkrai however provides the same problem as seen as Dialga being released before Palkia since we have an entire trio coming up that's Psychic typing and will be easily countered from Darkrai.
I'm not going to guess but I just wanna say that Dialga coming before Palkia doesn't seem likely to me. I don't think Niantic has ever released an good counter for a trio.
What I mean by this is that Dialga is the perfect counter for Palkia. It's steel typing negates it's dragon weakness. Palkia being water/dragon means that it's only weak to fairy and dragon. But fairy doesn't have a fast move yet and of course dragons are weak to each other.
You may be correct on that, however to me at least if I were them I wouldn't worry so much about releasing a good Pokemon to counter the next for you still need others to help take down the raid and spreading Pokemon further from their respective Pokemon they counter will likely make for a confusing order in T5 releases and may disinterest a decent amount of the more involved Pokemon fans that may prefer to have their cover legendaries released somewhat close to the beginning of a new gen for that's how they are in the main games etc.
You do have a good point! But that's how they can also shoot themselves in the foot. The Weather Trio was released early, which meant that we got three months of Regis in the summer. That was awful. It's summer, everyone should be out raiding and having fun! But Regis aren't that popular and not good in battle either.
To answer your question though, I'd love to see Darkrai next! It's a mythical but Deoxys is one too and it got placed in ex raids. Arceus is the next most likely candidate so where does that leave Darkrai? Don't think a research breakthrough is likely since Manaphy will probably be that. Also it's next in the pokedex after Cresselia. So who knows? I'll keep dreaming for now.
It mightbe speculation, but on a conceptual level, TDO and high tank pokemon, which the regis and cress are, do tend to be what people favor for things like this. DPS doesnt really matter if you cant take a hit, which is why our current idea of the meta game and the PvP one will have very little overlap.
Im somewhat sad I released all my regi's aside from one of each prior ro beldum day, but their sacrifice paved the way for my 15 meteor mashers, they will not be forgotten and what they gave will be used to empower their remaining brothers.
Either dialga or palkia, leaning towards palkia. Id rather dialga as where I live we gets snow, and boosted dialga is something I would very much love.
Both of them actually are quite similar, being weak to only 2 types and one of those 2 types thay are weak to is cursed with bad moves. in the case of dialga ground has bad moves to the point where machamp bests groudon's DPS, and groudon can only match it in the sun. For palkia is the lack of fairy fast moves, which in truth, even if there was such a thing, wouldn't come close to the supremacy the dragons hold over their own kind without similarly having weather boost or a massively over tuned fast move
Both of their main weaknesses are types we likely have in droves, fighting for dialga given our machamp army we had for the normal tanks before meteor mash metagross as well as tyranitar raids, and out dragons for palkia as they were great against rayquaza and have some of the highest neutral DPS in the game (and after the dratini CD and last weekend, we should have candy and luckies of them for powering up)
Dialga will be something akin to a more offensive registeel thats not weak to fire and palkia a bulker rayquaza, as dragons held highest DPS over rayquaza before ice beam mewtwo and gen 4's ice types were a thing.
It hurts me togekiss didnt get a fairy fast move, had a 93% girl I hatched dratini day, a few days after I started, been hoping for her time to shine.
I'm really looking forward to these raids as they're going to present a bit more of a challenge, being great in stats like groudon and kyogre, but having difficult to deal with type combinations. Both of those 2weathet trio, and even rayquaza now, have moves that that be easily dealt with by pokemon with the exeption of really blizzard kyogre almost requiring raikou, but the gen 4 pokemon really altered that and will make them easier, Even with the great pokemon we have now, the gen 4 dragons still look like they will be a challenge.
Hadn't personally thought about it in a challenging manner. I was more so just concerned about what it would be and hoping it to be a powerful and useful Pokemon for future use rather than the experience of battling it being fun itself. However that is an interesting look at it and either way shows just how good and fun it will be to have the 2 in the game whether it be for more strength in your line-up or just for more valuable and testing gameplay.
Palkia seems like the better of the two raid wise, it had better moves than dialga, being the only one to receive dragon tail, its DPS lags a few percent of rayquaza, with DPS on par with I believe salamence, but having noticeable more TDO than both.
Dialga seems more likely a pvp pick, high defensive stats, solid defensive typing and not terrible moves, its got a weakness to a bad type, ground, and fighting, which depending on what pokemon at the PvP giants, may not be an issue. It definitely will find a spot in teams looking to fight dragons without the fear of them which may serve it well in raids.
Both definitely will have their uses, offering more bulk than rayquaza with not too much of a DPS drop in palkia's case, but a very sizable 11% in dialga's. Even though dialga might have lower raw DPS, I feel like when factoring how fast dragons faint agaisnt other dragons and its neutral damage taken from dragon hits rather than super effective combined with its natural bulk, that 11% gap might shrink sizably
I'm looking forward to Dialga and Palkia a lot but as a long-time player I can't honestly call either of them challenging. Every well-established player by now has a team of high level Machamps and a team of high level Dragons. And that's all you need to trio these two bosses if the other two players have a comparable lineup.
well the thing is these 2 pokemon have a lot of things that will give those counters a hard time. On dialga its that machamp isnt really able to stand up to strong neutral hits. See matchups agaisnt MM metagross, body slam snorlax, fireblast tyranitar. Its defense is good for when it goes into resisted match ups like bite/crunch tyrantiar or weak super effective moves from blissey/chansey, but not really high powered neutral hits. Its bulk is comparable to Abomasnowdefensive statwise (while not out, it is the closes pokemon with comparable def and HP) and has the same base defense as aerodactyl.
Dragons on the other hand are weak to dragons, an unlike with rayquaza where you could get lucky and be going against airslash, palkia's always carrying dragon moves. Fireblast might not be too impressive, but a STAB hydropump backed my an atk stat that's 4 less than rayquaza will hurt, and then there's draco meteor.
A maxed perfect Machamp can tank a Draco Meteor and 4 Metal Claws. That's perfectly acceptable durability. You've been saying that Machamp is in trouble against Dialga's attacks for a long time and it has simply never been true, Machamp is fine. In a trio with maxed Champs, you need to revive and rejoin once, and the raid won't be even close to failing, even without friend bonus.
Against Palkia, HP is inconsequential because dragons resist it. The only thing to be wary of is DM, and that's only if you have low friendship level. With maxed Dragons and UF/BF teammates, you have plenty of time to rejoin twice.
Like I said, they do not seem all that challenging. Taking damage doesn't matter if you kill the boss easily on time anyway.
The fastest charge move cycle after the first one for Dialga is 3 or 4 MC and 1 DM, which means Machamps will live through the DM and fire off one last DP before dying to the next MC. This has 50% odds of happening for each of the boss's charge move cycles. If Dialga keeps doing MC, then Machamps die to the DM whenever it comes but get more time for attacking before that.
Iron Head sets are easy. Machamp will generate energy at a much steadier rate and be able to tank 2 IH and 6 MC. STAB attacks from Dialga are not as powerful as you seem to think. Attacking pokemon without resistances don't simply explode when they get hit by one.
I explicitly talked about trioing with a team of maxed Machamps so it's weird that you felt the need to reiterate it. But you should be able to do it with a lesser team, since it's looking like an easy trio with maxed counters.
I personally am not lvl 40 yet (or even 38) so I can't max out Pokemon yet. Even if I were to be lvl 38 or above it takes SOOO much stardust to max out even 1 Pokemon so I won't be at the point to where I have a maxed team of Machamps for quite some time. I know I am not everyone, however the general assumption that most people have maxed counters in teams just doesn't seem right to me, no matter how many do. That's honestly a ton of game-play, and not attainable by casual players at all. That's just obsession honestly.
This discussion was only ever about how it doesn't seem that hard for players like me who already have teams of maxed counters.
You may see a lot of discussion about players with maxed counters but I don't think there's a general assumption that most people have teams like that. It's painfully obvious that it requires a lot of playing and that the majority of the playerbase is more casual than that. But you will rarely see me discuss how to do things with non-maxed counters because I only play with fellow high level players who also have maxed counters.
Many times you can make your own challenge. However, challenge w/o a payoff gets old before 2 weeks. Cresselia trio is pretty tough. My usual raid party is 40, 38, 35...with those I win 30-35% of the time, each time I do win it is to the wire. No reinforcements after you try one a few times and fail, worthwhile raid bosses you can try to find someone at the park or a few minutes away.
Some people (accounts) will improve greatly with some CTMs and luck with the ones they finally get. I do want to raid it the last weekend (probably try tomorrow so I can get a full 45 min battle in, usually I’m driving early to work). However repeatedly losing to see how little you lose by...that not gonna get a weak link to be even 75% super-effective.
I don't think Shiny Mewtwo is likely at all. We just had a month of Mewtwo - why would it return so quickly?
Shiny Rayquaza and Groudon are a possibility. I would love to see one of them return for Cresselia's last week, and the other for Christmas or the last week of the next legendary.
I really hope Dialga comes out during the winter. It would just be such a shame to not be able to get weather boosted ones by having to wait until the summer for it - especially when the weather trio came out before the Lati's and Regi's. Making Giratina come out then not giving us Dialga/Palkia just feels so wrong. We've also been on a fairly long stretch of meta-irrelevant legendaries: Three Regis, Non-SB Mewtwo, Giratina, Cresselia... that's 6 months since we've gotten a relevant legendary (Kyogre in June). We had a brief weekend of Lugia (with Shiny form available already), shiny releases of the gen 1 birds on their raid days (but those were rewards so not really standard legendaries)... I think Niantic has gone long enough without a shiny or meta-relevant legendary raid coming out.
However with all that said - they've probably sold loads of raid passes lately. Why release the good stuff that people will spend money for if people are spending money already anyways? Wait until it looks like it won't keep up before you release a new product...
With PvP being announced, i'd say the last 6 months have been some o fht emost potentially meta relevant. Given they are all tanky or are mewtwo, who with its multiple movesets will be a good wildcard for teams.
The second people saw the CP caps, my discord immediately lost all regret at mass raiding the regi's and switched from machamp takedowns to cresselia.
^ this. All of this.
At the time when we were raiding all of the aforementioned legendaries, they felt pretty irrelevant. In the raiding meta, they still will be. However, PvP is looking to be an entirely different meta where TDO is far more important than DPS, and charge move durations/damage windows are seemingly irrelevant (since the game pauses while they're firing off and dodging isn't allowed anyways).
I'm betting that Giratina, Cresselia, non-SB Mewtwo, and the Regis all find their niches in PvP battle teams in different leagues. I'm glad I saved a handful of each, because I'm pretty excited to take them for a spin.
I agree entirely with the middle parts of your response and also have been saying these EXACT words for the past few days/weeks. However Shiny Mewtwo seems somewhat likely since Niantic seems to be afraid of releasing new content and have had many re-releases recently even being close to their last time out (the birds and dogs in research breakthrough and many times this year, CD recap weekend etc) so a much desired Shiny Mewtwo would be new enough content to appease upset players and still be recycling old content at the same time and act like it's a big thing for the holidays. As to your last couple sentences not gonna lie that's toxicity. Waiting to release good content shouldn't be a money tactic.
Not saying you should give everyone everything right away, however you shouldn't purposefully make your game suck because people are still shelling out money, that's grimey and what makes companies and people horrible and worthless.
Not going to put an absolutely insane cash cow like shiny mewtwo out during the winter when its nearly impossible for people in the northeast portions of the United States and parts of Europe and Canada to get out and raid ...Never mind it being in the middle of the holiday season.... As stupid as Niantic is at times they aren’t going to throw away millions
Well you could argue the same about putting out just about anything good for the game in this time frame for the entire game is outside. I get your point since it's Mewtwo (or any SUPER popular and useful Pokemon) but it's also not like they won't ever re-release Mewtwo again. It may take a while afterwards but Mewtwo is too popular to ever say never, in times where they lose money all they have to do is re-release something that made them money. It will never fail for people are obsessed rather than actually just liking or loving games nowadays because there's no self-control anymore for the most part lol. But back on topic, losing money shouldn't be the ONLY focus in a business that produces entertainment and is meant to bring joyous and happy times to consumers. This is the problem with companies these days and instead of treating it as it is (wrong), people justify it cause it makes money. Just because you make money for it doesn't make it right or smart at all, maybe "smart" in a financial standpoint ONLY however not smart in general for smart people wouldn't be total jerks (keeping the language appropriate here).
I've only played GenI & II as a child. Later on tried Gen III a few years ago on a simulator and ditched it after a couple of hours, do I didn't even learn most Gen III Pokemon. Everything I know about Pokemon introduced after that is through PoGo and Gamepress; often I google some legendary that I read about here in a random post. Most days I'll check once or twice and read many Q&A (Sorry for the long introduction, I'm making my point now).
Last month there were many many questions like this one, Which is gonna be the next T5? Guess what: No one ever mentioned Cresselia (or I didn't happen to see it). I literally had never seen that Pokemon before the announcement.
So Niantic is very unpredictable. Everyone tried to find a reasoning that predicts the next legendary, and noone suggested Cresselia, because there wasn't any reasoning behind that. I think it's totally random, so we shouldn't try to justify X legendary coming next cause we will probably be disappointed.
The one I'd like to see is Darkrai (doubtful it will get a raid, even if it gets one it's probably gonna be EX right? since it's mythical) cause it looks cool. The one I wouldn't want to see is Heatran, cause it looks like a dumb toad
Last month may have not included much speculation about what would the next legendary be for raids, however the previous months have and Niantic also released the info a decent amount of time before the release itself. Also the speculation I promote at least is nothing more than speculation. In other words I'm not ever getting hype these may happen, rather I'm giving information backing possible chances via logic and ties to the main games etc. Darkrai could still likely be the next raid boss because EX Raids aren't far off from regular ones as well as I believe Deoxys will have an entire year as an EX raid to allow time for each form as well as treat it the same as the previous EX raid. Also something you need to know is that no matter how hard Pokemon GO fans try to seperate them as well as others, Mythical Pokemon are just a sub-category to Legendaries. There is absolutely 0 difference between the two other than the labelled name they're given and how to obtain them in the MAIN GAMES only. They decided to translate that into Pokemon GO as well but it's not even consistent for Deoxys is an EX raid boss but is supposed to be mythical as well as I believe everyone can agree Arceus should be the next EX raid. EX raids are supposed to be the strongest I would think since they are the hardest and therefore rarest Pokemon to obtain outside of legacy move Pokemon and shinies but shinies only offer cosmetic bonuses, not strength. As a very dedicated and hardcore super Pokemon fan that's loved the series since I can remember, I advise to check out all of Pokemon for the main games way of going about things and mechanic etc are far more balanced, fun, rewarding, exciting etc. Pokemon GO isn't so much a Pokemon game itself but rather a Pokemon themed game.
