Updated Attack Tier List
Wow! What does everyone think? Rhydon and Alakazam Tier 1. Surprises in other tiers as well.
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Yeah I don't like gengar and alakazam. Those attacks aren't particularly useful against any high tier defenders.
Can see Arcanine since it's now more of a niche attacker into Lapras which is a powerful but uncommon defender
Tangela is weaker than Venusaur but lacks the poison typing which makes it better against Rhydon and Slowbro
Yeah, I have something like a 93% Shadow Claw/Sludge Bomb Gengar that I have been reluctant to power up b/c I fail to see a place he'll really shine.
But I would guess it's b/c of STAB high DPS quick move without any real weaknesses, as well as decently high DPS STAB charge move with a solid cooldown (same dmg as Psychich with slightly shorter CD)
But Poison attacks just aren't that great in this gen..
hmmm
Just strong when not attacking into Grasses or Waters.
I see him merely in tier 1,5 because he is not a real generalist attacker, but he can kill pkm that are no type counters without dodging.
Compare Attack-Stat with Snorlax - Rhydon hits harder and kills faster.
Gyarados is strong, but lacks STAB, so he is not really fast.
Hydro Pump is week compared to solar beam or hyperbeam.
Gyarados is really fast, he is just a bit slower than Vaporeon
This is the point. Vaporeon is not really fast, and Gyarados is slightly slower.
Yes, i used gyarados to attack into snorlax too, but now, i have a equally strong rhydon with stab on quick and charged moves - it is faster.
Don't get me wrong - gyarados is a great attacker, great enough for tier 1,5.
It's good to see some new faces on the list. Alakazam makes sense based on the updated methodology of taking dodging into account. At level 33, I have actually just started dodging, and it definitely makes more of a difference with some pokemon than others.
I'm surprised to see Tangela that high, equal to Golem and Venusaur, and ahead of Victreebell and Vileplume. Is vine whip really that much better than razor leaf?
I'm really surprised that Gyarados is not top-tier, even after the buff. Personally, I'd rate Gyarados with bite/hydro pump above any similar-CP Rhydon.
Cloyster definitely deserves its spot in tier 2, if not higher. With my Lapras stuck in a gym for the last few weeks, and with Dewgong having been nerfed, Cloyster has been very successful as my go-to Dragonite killer.
I think Pinsir was overlooked on this list. With great matchups against mons like Exeggutor and Alakazam, I don't see why it isn't at least as high as Jolteon, if not higher.
Yeah even as someone who uses Tangela often I was surprised.
I'm guessing it's is that high b/c of the sheer number of high CP defenders which are weak to grass now. Vape/Gyara/Lapras/Kingler weak to grass, and Rhydon/Golem/Omastar are double weak.
So out of the 17/18 current highest CP Pokemon it gets double bonus to 3 and single bonus to 4
Tangela's stats are now competitive with Vileplume's and it has a better quick move and better typing.
Pinsir does well against Exeggutor and that's about it. It actually loses to Slowbro without dodging. Otherwise it's pretty lackluster.
There are a lot of Pokemon that could subjectively be argued for or against inclusion in tier 3 and so the more borderline ones were excluded.
Following ratings are questionable in my oppinion:
- Slowbro, Starmie, Blastoise
Are just worse than vaporeon, no need to use him as attacker in any way. They could be placed in tier 3 - Arcanine, Flareon
At least tier 2, still great attacking into grasses - Sandslash
Do i overlook something? Just a very weak version of golem and rhydon? No tier at all imo. - Jolteon
At least tier 2, great attacker into Gyarados and usefull for waters too.
Slowbro, Starmie, and Blastoise are overshadowed by Vaporeon, but none of them are bad. Also all of them have niche advantages over Vaporeon against certain pokemon. All of them have movesets that make them better against Dragonite or Lapras. 2 of them have typing that is better against ZH Snorlax. I'm good with them being in Tier 2.
For Arcanine and Flareon, when was the last time you saw a Grass in a gym?
For Sandslash, he has the slight advantage that Mud Shot is a lot faster than Mud Slap, but you are pretty much correct. That's why he's only in Tier 3. He's a serviceable double ground attacker, but if you have Rhydon or Golem, they'd be better.
Jolteon is really good against Gyarados. However I think I saw somewhere that because Thundershock has quite a bit less raw DPS than Water Gun and Vaporeon is so much tankier than Jolteon, you are better off getting in a Vaporeon wet noodle fight than sending in Jolteon.
Some interesting inclusions.
Tangela didn't surprise me - since the update I find her a quicker and more effective attacker than Venasaur (defence wise though Venasaur is much stronger).
Jolteon's low standing surprised me - he hits water pokes so hard and fast that they'll frequently be vanquished before they get a second charge move. Great at ice pokes too.
I must have a closer look at Starmie and Gengar.
Jolteon's low standing surprised me - he hits water pokes so hard and fast that they'll frequently be vanquished before they get a second charge move. Great at ice pokes too.
Good for Ice-PKM, who have water-typing.
I must have a closer look at Starmie
Looks like a glass-cannon-version of Slowbro to me. (Same Typing, hydro pump, more attack, less defense)
Compared with vaporeon:
Slightly more attack than vaporeon, but big loss of defense.
A reminder to everyone to read the DESCRIPTION on Attack Tier List!!! ...As this seems to raise questions about the tiers. It's a long text but I recommend to read it, I will copy paste it here:
Last Updated: 12/02
In this version of the Attacking Tier List, we have followed our traditional methodology except in one unique circumstance. If a Pokemon is extremely time and potion efficient when dodging, we have boosted their placement a bit more for those few unique Pokemon. In this case, Alakazam and Gengar fit the bill. These Pokemon, due to their incredibly high attack stats, end up clearing almost any gym defender at among the fastest speed and least amount of potions possible. Though using Alakazam and Gengar are significantly worse than their "tier peers" when standing and fighting with no dodges, their advantages in time and potion usage justify high placement for dodging specialists. We now believe players who consistently dodge makes up a much more significant group of the active PoGo playerbase than when we initially debuted this tier list months ago, so this change reflects this metagame shift. If you are a player who chooses not to dodge, consider Alakazam and Gengar roughly two tiers lower for the stand-and-fight playstyle.
-GamePress Pokemon Go Research Team.
