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Upcoming gym change/ rebalance

So it looks like most if not all of the move set rankings have been completed but looming in the background for those of us looking to see where we should invest power ups in is the upcoming change and/or rebalance of the gym meta...

What do you all think? Do you think it will be significant enough for gp to have to go back to the drawing board and re-analyse and alter a significant enough amount of their latest analysis? What form do you think this change will come in?

Asked by kyuball8 years 1 month ago
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I don't know but it's pretty wise to save a significant portion of dust for awhile?

I would also spend on a few only Pokemon: Blissey, Dragonite (very moveset and IV dependent esp the rarity of Dratini candy in your area) , Tyranitar, Snorlax (w/ HB or BS since both movesets are versatile enough as attacking and defensive moves) Gyarados (DT w/O or HP or B/HP only), Lapras, and Vaporeon (w/ the exception of WP). (You can debate Rhydon, but from what I see only one is needed w/ MS/SE or E w/ great IVs & maybe Machamp should be added w/ C/CC or DP if you need attackers into Blissey?) Since you have coins and stardust to collect till that rework comes. I hope they don't render most our Pokemon we powered up useless or most of us are waving goodbye.

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Blissey will remain important for the forseeable future, regardless of how the gym battling gets rejigged but having tried various counters, including powering up my 2 Machamps, I've actually found a legacy moveset Exeggutor (Confusion/solar beam) to be the easiest way to the win the matchup particularly against ZH Blissey. If you are lucky enough to have one with this move set I would suggest waiting till the gym system is rejigged to see how it works and meantime keeping it underpowered. At around CP 2200-2300 it works beautifully as both a good attacker and prestiger for average CP Blissey (since attempting to go in against Blissey at half the CP for maximum points is just asking for trouble anyway).

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Moves with STAB is always a safe bet

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by aSp 8 years 1 month ago

I would speculate that the gym rework will be far more than just a change in movesets or adjustments of move specifications.
We have had movesets change, and moves have had stat adjustments in the past - but these were not considered to be a 'gym rework'.

I think that the whole gym system will get a significant rework, and anything we know about gyms will become obsolete.
If this is the case, every single aspect of the gym system will need to be evaluated from scratch...as if it is a whole different game that uses our current collection of mons.

I suspect that after the gym rework, battles will be not even be comparable to what we have now.

Of course, this is going to cause quite a stir, and there will be a backlash from some parts of the entire PoGo community - but I think we can all agree that something significant needs to change...I think the gym rework will bring that.

Will GP and all other fan sites need to do a lot of work to give the players information about a whole new system?
Yes absolutely.

This is all just speculation though.

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It's both exciting and fearsome to know that we're having an unknown major gym rework in the near future. Just think about that - should the gym rework is that major as you indicated, all of our current understanding of the system would be obsolete; all the hard work - DPS analysis, move set evaluation, strategies - gone. Everything will be backed to square one.
But it is still very exciting, even just to think about it!

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The one thought I have that takes it from scary and tips it in the favour of exciting is..."could it be any worse?"

When I think about a massive change, that one question gets me more excited than worried.

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I think this is possible as well...This makes me now instead of not only saving candies/dust, but to also save Pokecoins as much as a I can since you may not be able to claim coins as easily daily after a major rework.

What if you needed to actually prestige all your gyms EVERY DAY to get those 100 coins? That'd be a big hassle and would mean major time commitments (as well as gas if some gyms are not walking distance).

They could also scrap coins/dust all together or make the max 50 coins, or pretty much anything.

From the words of a famous Niantic employee:
"Save your candies! (and dust/Pokecoins too!)"

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by JHVS 8 years 1 month ago

Even small changes could have a massive effect on moveset rankings so I imagine it will/would change things significantly.

Similarly to sOmeasnguy I have elected to pretty much only spend on good base stat mons since I don't think base stats will change and such mons as Dragonite should weather whatever storm may come. I'm avoiding powering CP based defender talents like Gyrados.

My guess is that STAB will be devalued to some extent to improve the comparative usefulness of non stab movesets. This could effect some stab based niche mons. But honestly it's very hard to speak on since we have no idea at all what the changes may be.

I'm also trying (unsuccessfully) to avoid powering Blissey since she is an outlier and outliers have a lessened chance to survive "balancing" intact.

My hope is that the balancing is a defender formula that takes mon level, defensive stats, CP, and maybe other factors into account for placement and first mon dropped from defeated gyms.

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One simple gym rebalance that Niantic can implement is to create a variety of "defensive profiles" that is randomly applied to each defender at the start of gym battles. This way, no two battles are exactly the same.

For example, they can create a defensive profile where defenders can launch their quick moves more often, instead of the norm but still abide by the move speed and cool down rules. They can create another where defenders don't always launch charge moves when it becomes ready. They can create another where defenders dodge occasionally, etc., etc.

This way certain defensive profiles applied to certain mons will give it advantages while other defensive profiles will weaken certain mons. I think this will really change it up without much work.

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Think of the impossibility of beating a Level 39 Blissey in 100 seconds when she dodges ALL your attacks :)

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That's why I said "dodge occasionally"... And by dodging, the computer defender cannot cheat and 100% dodge. Just predict possible quick/charge attacks and dodge. So sometimes they dodge even with no attacks.

Sort of like a dumb AI who tries to mimick real player play. Not a stagnant AI who does the same stuff every battle.

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by Arak2 8 years 1 month ago

I don't expect the Gym Fundamentals to Change Honesty.

I expect the Rework to be something out of Ingriss where you get notifcations your gym is under attack and go defend it.

PMG isn't turn based like Pokemon. I don't think turned base fits the mobile world as much. And there are limits on buttons/use on a Phone so to me a more complicated attack sequence is out.

I don't see a better way for stacking pokemon in gyms either. CP is the best of bad ways. The only way they could maybe make it better is to create a new stat called DP and then add a flat bonus +400 or penalty -200 to the CP.

But even then, that wont change much, since Vaperon will still be a strong defender and the reality is in general in pokemon some pokemon > others.

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