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A Suicune raid, and Bubble Beam spam

I was raiding a Suicune just now. I got 2 damage balls for the first time in a legendary raid (never got 3 before). There were 8 people in the raid.
The Suicune moveset was Hidden Power (grass) and Bubble Beam, didn't know the moveset in advance. This was my team:
1: Exeggutor CP 2623 C/SoB
2: Exeggutor CP 2528 ZH/SoB
3: Venusaur CP 2168 RL/SoB
4: Exeggutor CP 2508 ZH/SoB
5: Dragonite CP 3050 DB/Hu
Didn't use the last Dragonite.

My Exeggutors all lasted quute a while, Venusaur lasted even longer due to double resistance. They all got at least 2 Solarbeams, Venusaur got off 4 Solarbeams. A while into the battle, the Suicune was spamming Bubble Beams without using fast attacks at all. I was at my 2nd Exeggutor, just hit-dodge with ZH while charging Solarbeam. Only after he stopped using Bubble Beam (he used at least 7 in a row) did I use Solarbeam.

I was dodging a lot with Venusaur. Even with RL, he was easier to dodge with than any Exeggutor. He got off 4 Solarbeams.
I was on my 5th Pokemon Dragonite when we defeated the Suicune.The rewards were good this time, 9 golden berries and 2 charge TMs. I got 2 damage balls for the first time in a legendary raid. But I didn't care, I wasn't interested in catching the Suicune. I just used normal razz berries all the way with 11 balls. It ran away, but I didn't bother, I already have 2 Suicunes.

So, 2 questions:
1: Do damage balls have anything to do with rewards?
2: Does anyone think that raiding in a dense city is a disadvantage for damage balls?

Asked by DragoniteSlayer7 years 10 months ago
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by DrAzzy 7 years 10 months ago

  1. Yes, see the silph road analysis of raid drops (it was pre-potions, but the change didn't alter the mechanism, just the drop table). The number of balls determines the number of bundles of items, a bundle being a certain number of an item. I think you got 5 bundles - 3 of golden razzies, 2 of charge TM. That was a VERY lucky raid. The number of balls does NOT change the ratio in which the items are awarded on average, just how many pulls you get.
  2. Only if your mons are worse than theirs. The fact that you haven't seen the silph road raid reward study (which came out right when the potion change happened) leads me to suspect that you're not making good use of available resources - this in turn would lead to your being generally less informed, and thus making poor decisions about which mons to power up and/or use, resulting in your damage comparing unfavorably with that of others who do their homework.

Are you coming back in after all your mons die? When you do that, it resets your damage count; try to avoid having to do that. Sometimes if I know I won't make it through the whole thing, I use my best couple of mons, flee back to the lobby, max revive them, then come back in, so I will have been using my whole lineup, while most players stayed on until all their mons died, then came back in. Naturally, they don't fare so well this way

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  1. Yes
  2. Yes, but there's nothing much you can do about Suicune anyway. Even if you are splitting up you can't guarantee yourself 3 balls because the max you can contribute is only around 26-27% (4 maxed players barely take it down). If you raid with 5, someone is going to miss out on the 3 ball threshold anyway (impossible to calculate it 20% each)

On the other hand You're practically guaranteed 1 ball if you are any good yourself, and 2 balls if the others suck. That said I have achieved 3 balls on suicune myself but not because of raw damage, rather because of other people bailing (I used 1 Exeggutor and 5 dragonites, and the dragons tank the hydro pumps without dodging and pummeled their way to the end while others had to rejoin with the weaker grass mons)

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"the max you can contribute is only around 26-27%"
The damage ball bonus is calculated as:
damage that you did with your final team / damage everyone did with their final teams
So if all the other players rejoin near the end and do very little damage, you can do 90% of the damage.

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That's in theory. If you find a group of 4 people capable of doing a Suicune in the first place, I highly doubt the people doing it with you will pull out and rejoin.

I also noted this in my attempt with 5 Dragonites, because clearly 5 Dragons cannot achieve a 3 damage bonus vs Suicune, it was only because other people quit and rejoined.

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