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Sucker punch vs hex on gengar

Which do you prefer? SP is faster and has higher dps even without STAB. Hex has slightly better eps. This site says hex is better but the numbers don't really support it.

Asked by gluglumaster8 years 2 months ago
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Hex all the way

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The problem is that Gengar is that it is a glass cannon and you are really "making your money" with Shadow Ball. Therefore, since Hex allows you to fire SB sooner, it's better to have. The difference between firing off 6 Hex and 2 SB vs 7 SP and 1 SB is huge, while the difference between 7H and 7SP isn't that much.

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Put another way raw neutral DPS as a ratio of SC/SB (highest neutral DPS in the game):

SC/SB 100%
H/SB 95.7%
SP/SB 91.8%

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Put another way, ignoring energy for taking damage it takes 4.8 sec for Hex to charge ShB and 4.9 sec to SP. Adding the damage contribution could change the difference a bit either way but it will still be very small. My guess is that the number of times you can actually get an extra ShB out of hex is very small.

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I would say on par, the former one is easier to dodge (some Confusions) with.

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Talking about Sludge Bomb and Shadow Ball, worth TM Sludge Bomb -> Shadow Ball?. I have a 2451CP 91.1% ivs Gengar Shadow Claw/Sludge Bomb. I have other Gengar 2026CP Sucker Punch/Shadow Ball with low ivs.

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Definitely get shadow ball on that guy. Shadow Claw Shadow Ball is the best.

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Yes, i will still maxing him out till 2500CP, i use him as a general glass cannon frequently and its one of my fav. Pokémon. Its level 36.5 already.

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I powered up mine from lvl 18 to 36; 15A made it "cheap" to get breakpoint.

Imo:
* it is a top tier DPS charger in upcoming raids (if not the best DPS charger). You could see it as every cTM you invest you is an investment in a mew, a mewtwo and somewhat a celebi raid counter.
*You more or less need gengar to solo alakazam.
*It is legacy making it somewhat exclusive
*one of my favorite pokemons as a kid.

Raiding with it my feeling is that you need to get one CM dodge in order to get any feeling of DPS effect.

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Say if you're fighting against Machamp. Machamp resists Sucker punch but not Hex.

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Depends on what you raid, lvl etc.

according to pokebattler at lvl 35 (seems to be the same on every level) dodging only charge moves

SP is better in raids against:
Mewtwo

Hex is better in raids against:
Alakazam (?)
Mew
Celebi (close though)

If I had to take one, I'd take Hex. The DPS difference is small and no real difference. The only raid it might make a difference is soloing alakazam.

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I prefer super punch over hex. Easier to dodge with and more damage. If enemy has confusion you have to dodge or gengar will be toast so quick.

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