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I just noticed that community day "legacy moves" are listed as special moves. Could this mean that we would possibly see any of the old events cycle back in again at some point? I would be stoked to see a SD Tyranitar again for example.
What do you guys think?

Asked by RN6esus6 years 8 months ago

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Listed where? If you mean they're listed as special moves on this site, that doesn't mean anything.

As for whether we could see them come back, I absolutely think we will, it's only a matter of time. There are plenty of people who would be interested in reruns of exclusive moves and that interest is what drives the profitability of the CDs in the first place. So Niantic has an incentive to rerun them at some point for more profit, but they want to make the wait long and unpredictable to not undermine the value of the first CDs where the moves are available.

I could even see them just making a limited amount of CD TMs available in the shop for coins and I know even that would make a lot of people happy (me included).

I was honestly a little surprised not to see Gen I Stage 2s with community day moves as Tier 4 raids in this set. Would balance raid days, community days, etc. rather nicely I feel.

That would be one solution to make them available in some form but it doesn't solve the problem of people acquiring good base forms after the appropriate community day or having older evolved mons that were never able to get the exclusive move.

I like the idea of special TMs (probably HMs would be the ideal tag for these), I hate the idea of putting them in the shop for money. Doing so would push the game closer in a P2W direction than it currently is. One can argue buying raid passes already is P2W except for raid catches not being guaranteed. Plus Niantic has their boner for presenting community days as a communal event, granting paid access to the moves sort of undermines that.

All of them have been available for F2P so I actually don't think it'd be that bad of a move towards P2W. I know some examples from other games where exclusive items later appear in the shop and it doesn't seem to have sparked any specific outrage in those instances. But again, that's just one possibility and like you said, I don't think it fits the way Niantic is currently running these things, so probably not the most likely one.

I don't know, once they start it's not far before the whole game becomes P2W. If HMs are shop items then how long until directly purchasing Stardust becomes a thing? Why bother actually playing the game and catching things when you can just buy your way to power ups at that point?

I have a pretty strong dislike of the P2W model and don't want this game to start steering in that direction, even moreso than it may already be. I think as is the premium items are more like lottery tickets; extra incubators won't guarantee ideal hatches, extra raid passes still don't guarantee capture, and lures/incense don't guarantee ideal spawns. Star pieces and lucky eggs are the closest items to becoming a direct P2W system and they still require effort on the user to fully utilize.

They already sell items that give stardust, it wouldn't make any sense to undermine several different shop items by making dust directly purchasable, so no fear there.

The game is already massively pay to win, as far as you can "win" anything in Pogo (you really can't). While I dislike P2W mechanics like you, I just don't think offering a limited amount of CD TMs for coins would break anything that badly compared to how it already is.

A much more elegant solution I feel would be to introduce monthly research, kind of like special but resets each month with new quests and it could give CD TMs every month or every few months or something.

Tying HMs to Community Day, perhaps through a special CD research quest would be the way to go. It would keep it F2P, encourage participation in CD, and keep HMs relatively rare.

Ttar with SD with not be as special when gen IV hits. I’m sure people will have plenty of Rhyperiors and Rampardos that Ttar Rock will be more of a second thought than the go to Rock attacker. Same with a lot of community day moves. It seems all the starters will get the the same moves, making Sceptile and Blaziken both far ahead of Venusaur and Charizard. Draco Meteor is not that great compared to outrage, and Meteor Mash and Steel Moves in general will not define the meta. The only relevant exclusive move that exists anymore is Shadow Claw on Gengar, and even then you need multiples to make a difference. And Shadow Ball on Mewtwo, but we were given that warning.

Neither Rhyperior or Rampardos is guaranteed to get a double rock moveset.

Meteor Mash only needs to be as good as Dynamic Punch (ie. a fair bit worse than FP, BB and HC) and it'd make Metagross the supreme counter to 3 separate types.

FP Sceptile and BB Blaziken are also a long way off. They will far outclass the gen 1 starters, but Sceptile is projected for March and Blaziken for May.

There is a good chance one of those get double rock. Which will be widely available moreso than Ttar. And Metagross will be the top attacker into what?! Rock types? Fairy types? Oh, Ice types! Yes because we needed a good attacker to those... he will not be meta relevant.

What are you expecting, moves be available tomorrow? Blaziken and Sceptile are coming very soon. Soon enough to not need those moves to come back anytime soon.

So 6 months and 8 months is "soon"?

There's a chance, but Niantic isn't exactly known for their desire to create a wide meta where lots of different pokemon are viable. I'm just advising to hold back on any expectations for gen 4 pokemon. Some of them will get good movesets and be meta-relevant but we don't know which ones.

Rock, Fairy and Ice would be the 3 types, yes. You seem like you're mistaking meta relevant with meta defining. Metagross is unlikely to rock our worlds unless it gets a Hydro Cannon-level charge move, but getting a good enough charge move to make it the top counter to several types would very much make it meta relevant. I'm not sure how you could rationally argue that an attacker with that good of a coverage is somehow not meta relevant.

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