Its a conspiracy. Noobs will choose Snorlax against every single Mewtwo moveset if they read that he is good at anything except defending gyms. Nobody wants that xD
Well seriously, Im quite positive that Tyranitar, Dragonite and Gyarados outperform Snorlax even against Shadow Ball. Its not a survival game, its race against the clock.
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Snorlax Vs Mewtwo Question
I Think the Supreme counter to Mewtwo with ShadowBall will be Snorlax. I'm not sure why Gampress missed this but if you run the simulator he does mad DPS with Lick and Hyperbeam and last 4x longer than Tyranitar.
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I was just in a Zapdos (ZC) raid with 9 players, I fainted w/ 5 Golem and a 3000 SE Rhydon. It took us 230 seconds to beat it---I saw multiple Blissey on the 2nd selected pokemon--definitely a watch your own A** option. I got 3 GR, 10 revives, 15 super potions. Decent players are less than decent right now, these guys were driving raid to raid to do that--really a why bother moment
A lot of times people are just to nervous or stressed to pick their second battlegroup for themselves and rush back to the boss with whatever the app chose. Usually those are mostly blisseys. If i see pple rejoin with a second team i try to remind them that they can still can take a swift look at their second six if there is something better among them than a nurse.
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Yep. I'm level 36 and I did a T-Tar raid with 12 people yesterday. I was one of only two Mystics, the other guy was level 31. Everyone else was low, mid-20's. Blisseys and Lugias galore. I was dumbfounded, especially after explaining to everyone in the group to use fighters and water. "I don't have a high level Machamp or Vapereon," said one level 23 Valor.
OK, Machamp, maybe... but no Vape? Seriously? Did you just land here on this planet?
We finished with maybe 15 seconds left. Some of them were telling others not to rejoin after fainting because they'll lose balls if they did (grrrr... with about 45 seconds left I was pretty sure we were going to fail) and promoting the "don't press OK and we'll all get it" myth.
Me and the other Mystic carried them over the finish line. We got the damage bonus over 6 valors and 4 instincts. Already pissed at noobs spouting off "internet hints" as facts and getting pots instead of anything useful. He came up in the bonus round for me with a high CP, I golden berried, first throw, caught, and I PRESSED OK and left. As I walked away, they were blaming me for their failure to catch him :) :) :)
Listen, I know I NEED them to be there to bring the guys down, but if you're not going to bring your A-game to a raid, what's the point?
Mewtwo raids are gonna be insane trying to explain the VERY different teams you need to succeed against the multitude of movesets to people who "don't even have a strong Vape."
In my latest "not very effective" raid group I wish some of them had ever referenced the internet, talking with them about the reward nerf they were pleased to get potions instead. Right then I should have considered them clown players and done more Rhydons***now trying to decide whether to go get this--likely not, it would be a little bit of a hassle
On a no dodge lv 35 sim he's almost twice as slow as a B/C Tyranitar. I'm not sure how well or poorly that equates to mons that aren't Tyranitar but that makes those two not comparable at all.
In short if it takes 8 people from your area to barely beat him in time and you all have Tyranitars hold until you have 14 before you unleash the awesomeness of that Snorlax.
To be fair, a 1v1 simulation doesn't take into account the fact that greater survivability results in less wasted charge-move energy (e.g. if Snorlax lasts twice as long as T-tar, maybe he gets off three hyper beams, as opposed to one stone edge, before fainting), and less time spent swapping out fainted mons.
But Tyranitar resists SB and is the full .51 against Psychic (confusion)....it's not like he isn't killing in this moveset. And he sure as hell doesn't die after one stone edge. Tyranitar is a monster against this moveset.
But forget all that. Time is the issue and even if you account for what you mention it's not close. Not even in the same galaxy. Now, how he compares to other counters may be OK but Snorlax as the supreme counter? Come on now
Also I ran all the sims it takes to kill a boss MewTwo with that set for both and compared overall time. They both had to achieve the same damage, I only looked at how long it took to do that and compared them.
All run back to back. The boss kept his energy. It ran just like a normal battle
He's good but has low DPS relative to other options. If your group is small, you may time out. If it is large, then you will lose out on balls and items.
That being said, a lot of people have maxed out Snorlaxes with high attack stats. It is not a bad option, but a dark Gyardos or Houndoom or Dragonite or Scizor will generate more DPS.
Pokebattler's "power" stat is not a great metric for raids. It is more applicable to sweeping gyms.
Don't think it will be a supreme counter but I will definitely use it as anchor (I only have one lick/HB snorlax after all...)
I bet Ttar will be vastly superior even this moveset, as JHVS mentioned, it's halving confusion damage and still 70% against shadow ball, and does SE+Stab damage with a higher attack stat to mewtwo
